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we live in a reality of phantoms and

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monsters they exist among us and

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sometimes they win

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even the devil was an angel once

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the world has its own rules

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and these rules are not human

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some of us seek answers to the origin

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and existence of cryptids in the

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unexplained

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join us as we venture beyond the moon

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and accepted boundaries

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welcome to our nightmare i think you're

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hey good evening folks and uh welcome to

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phantoms and monsters radio where we

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explore and discuss the unknown and the

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unexplained

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i'm your host lon strickler coming to

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so tonight our friend and colleague ken

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gerhart is joining us as he has offered

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to answer your questions about cryptids

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now ken is a cryptozoologist and field

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investigator for the center for 14

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zoology

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as well as a fellow of the pangaea

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institute and consultant for various

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research groups he has investigated

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reports of cryptids and mysterious

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animals around the world including

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bigfoot the loch ness monster the

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chukakabra

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mothman thunderbirds and werewolves

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in addition to co-hosting

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history channel series missing in alaska

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he has appeared on three episodes

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television series monster quest that was

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on the history channel

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it was featured in the history channel

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special the real wolf man

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gerhart's others appearances include

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ancient aliens on the history channel

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legend hunters and travel channel

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the unexplained files on the science

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true monsters on history channel we're

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what with william shatner

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monsters and mysteries in america

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uh true supernatural which was on

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destination america as well and ultimate

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encounters true tv monster project in

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the shipping wars on a e

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his credits include appearances on

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coast am and ireland's new stock as well

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fate magazine animals and men and

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any currently lectures and exhibits at

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events across the united states

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so ken thanks again for coming on this

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evening

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hey laura

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it's always great having you on here man

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man we've been we've we've known each

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other a long time brother i think that's

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one of my vintage bios you know maybe

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not too but it takes me back to like a

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little bit of our history here yeah

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these these interviews have been fun

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you know you're doing so much i can

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understand why it's hard to update stuff

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like that but um you know uh and you you

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have busy been busy you know the last

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time you were on here and i think we

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that you were getting involved in an

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the field of cryptozoology a lot of

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texas and oklahoma and uh it was daniel

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under a rocky ledge or you know because

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pretty extensive you know where our

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it's been claimed that this guy saw like

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a whole bunch of these huge salamanders

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which is runs off of that lake but it

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slender and that could

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salamanders so

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things is mk davis the

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analyzer of bigfoot videos he was up

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there doing a bigfoot project and

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claimed he saw this huge salamander that

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local species that we that are known

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salamander which is you know they can

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up to 18 inches long so you know for a

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salamander they're impressive but not

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the cherry on top of the cake was and by

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the way we did videotape and document

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the whole thing so we've got a lot of

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footage but we've just never had time to

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that's on our bucket list there is to

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course on the china flat bigfoot museum

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and see the all the famous bigfoot

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statues and locations in that town

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but on the very last weekend we got to

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join up with other researchers at bluff

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creek and basically visited the the film

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site for the patterson gimlin film which

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uh every july some the bluff creek

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project and other bigfoot researchers

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can't uh they camp out there at laos

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camp

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you know the early guys john green renee

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to hinden peter byrne

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tom slick all those guys bob titmus

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would camp out there and do expeditions

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and um

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patterson and gilman camped out there

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too and uh yeah so you know finally

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getting to visit the film site after all

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these years was really important to me

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because

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it gave me kind of a perspective on the

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film that i hadn't had before the area

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has changed

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but the bluff creek project has done a

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masterful job through the years

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figuring out exactly yes this is the

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exact film site believe it or not there

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are some old trees that are still there

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that you can see in the original film

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and match them up perfectly and stuff so

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oh here we're seeing some giant

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salamander graphics

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[Laughter]

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yeah i love salamanders they're they're

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fascinating they are they're amphibians

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of course yeah um they um they can

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breathe through their skin cutaneously

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so they can stay underwater and they

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don't really have

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big teeth their teeth are pretty tiny

323
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but they have this huge gaping mouth and

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suction force so what they do is they

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lay in weight and when fish and

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crustaceans things go by they just suck

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them into their mouth and um

328
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yeah it's pretty cool hopefully someday

329
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we'll get a chance to go back there and

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continue searching because i think

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who knows you know um

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this is a habitat that would be

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conducive to those animals and um

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there have been accounts through the

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years and uh it's something a little bit

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different to go search for other than

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the standard cryptids i had my own

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hellbender story i i used to do a lot of

339
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trout fishing fly fishing up here in

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pennsylvania when i was younger

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and uh i was nymph fishing

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up at uh yellow was creek called yellow

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breeches just just north of here

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and it's kind of like quasi limestone

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uh

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freestone creek

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but uh i hooked into one of the salmon

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one of the hellbenders

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and i mean it was it was about a foot

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and a half long it was big

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yeah

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they're they're big boys and they look

353
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really weird right because they have

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just kind of wrinkly they're flat

355
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wrinkly and yeah yeah so they're kind of

356
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creepy weird oh yeah that's awesome man

357
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yeah i i didn't know what the hell i saw

358
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there you know but but yeah yeah that's

359
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what it was god told me it was all

360
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better yeah you guys got them up up in

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the northeast and parts of the

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middle america

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sadly like many species they are

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becoming endangered primarily because uh

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amphibians are the most

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uh vulnerable when it comes to pollution

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and oh absolutely climax climatic

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changes and things like that so but it's

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it's cool that you got to to see one of

370
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those because they're really hard to

371
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find these days yeah yeah they aren't

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so i guess we can start with the first

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question this is from james west what

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can ken tell us about the winged

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humanoids in kansas or and i think he

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means kansas city because there have

377
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been a lot of sightings up there in

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northern missouri

379
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yeah um good question to start uh first

380
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i want to start out this session with a

381
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disclaimer which is

382
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uh you know

383
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basically these are just my views and

384
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opinions and quite honestly everything

385
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that we do in this field is speculation

386
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so i'm not coming on here as the

387
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definitive expert in anything

388
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um i do consider myself very well

389
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researched i've been obsessed with

390
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cryptozoology my whole life and i do it

391
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for a living this is all i do all day is

392
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cryptozoological research and i do a lot

393
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of field work so

394
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and i speak with most of the i think the

395
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other researchers out there that have a

396
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level head and really put a lot of work

397
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and thought into this stuff um so these

398
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are just my opinions but uh yeah flying

399
00:14:37,110 --> 00:14:35,360
human noids of course i did write a book

400
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in 2013

401
00:14:41,350 --> 00:14:39,360
encounters with flying humanoids mothman

402
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man birds gargoyles and other winged

403
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beasts uh unfortunately it's out of

404
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print i think there is an e-book on

405
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amazon but uh it's out of print so it's

406
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kind of hard to find these days i might

407
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re-release that at some point

408
00:14:56,310 --> 00:14:54,079
it focuses on mothman but of course uh

409
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flying humanoid phenomenon is a is a

410
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global phenomenon there are reports um

411
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accounts as you know well know well

412
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uh all over and um

413
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you know north america of course we have

414
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the highest concentration between the

415
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traditional mothman the chicago mothman

416
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the kansas city mothman and a lot of

417
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sightings in the american southwest

418
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places from texas to california

419
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but worldwide there are these accounts

420
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of these anomalous winged humanoid

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creatures now uh one interesting aspect

422
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is that they seem to vary

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in

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their physical appearance from place to

425
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place i mean you have somewhat of a

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consistent model in certain locations

427
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like in point pleasant and

428
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you know perhaps to some degree in

429
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chicago in kansas city but

430
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there are many different types of these

431
00:15:45,189 --> 00:15:43,519
flying humanoids

432
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they don't really fit within the

433
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paradigm of traditional cryptozoology

434
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because the notion of a half

435
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man half bird or a winged humanoid is

436
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done it just doesn't make any sense from

437
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a

438
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interviewed

439
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dozens and dozens of people that swear

440
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they've encountered these things and

441
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it's really they've been life-changing

442
00:16:09,269 --> 00:16:07,759
and pretty traumatic experiences for

443
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these folks so

444
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um the kansas city

445
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really the only case that i've been

446
00:16:17,749 --> 00:16:15,360
involved in up there and this was maybe

447
00:16:20,230 --> 00:16:17,759
predated the kansas city

448
00:16:22,550 --> 00:16:20,240
a lot of the kansas city sightings

449
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involved a family that contacted me

450
00:16:27,189 --> 00:16:25,120
years ago and claimed that they

451
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had all seen at various points over a

452
00:16:31,110 --> 00:16:29,440
few years in their neighborhood this

453
00:16:32,710 --> 00:16:31,120
weird giant

454
00:16:34,389 --> 00:16:32,720
winged creature

455
00:16:37,509 --> 00:16:34,399
and what they described was not as

456
00:16:39,670 --> 00:16:37,519
humanoid as uh more of like a

457
00:16:41,269 --> 00:16:39,680
pterodactyl type of thing

458
00:16:42,949 --> 00:16:41,279
but they did at times they would

459
00:16:44,870 --> 00:16:42,959
describe it as having human-like

460
00:16:47,189 --> 00:16:44,880
movements or features

461
00:16:49,189 --> 00:16:47,199
you know arms

462
00:16:51,110 --> 00:16:49,199
in addition to wings and stuff

463
00:16:52,389 --> 00:16:51,120
and uh it was a very religious family so

464
00:16:55,590 --> 00:16:52,399
they really viewed it as some kind of

465
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like demonic thing that was kind of

466
00:16:59,350 --> 00:16:57,440
stalking their family or whatever and it

467
00:17:01,430 --> 00:16:59,360
was in a particular neighborhood which i

468
00:17:02,790 --> 00:17:01,440
believe is called swopes park like i

469
00:17:04,870 --> 00:17:02,800
might be saying that wrong it's in

470
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eastern canada it's near the zoo

471
00:17:07,829 --> 00:17:06,480
and um

472
00:17:09,350 --> 00:17:07,839
so i interviewed several people in the

473
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family and some family friends that had

474
00:17:12,549 --> 00:17:10,480
all encountered this thing at different

475
00:17:14,949 --> 00:17:12,559
times and they were very convincing

476
00:17:16,710 --> 00:17:14,959
um and then shortly thereafter that

477
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maybe a couple years after that i began

478
00:17:20,870 --> 00:17:18,880
to hear about sightings of winged

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creatures in kansas city

480
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and um

481
00:17:26,309 --> 00:17:24,240
you know i haven't personally

482
00:17:28,710 --> 00:17:26,319
interviewed any eyewitnesses i know that

483
00:17:30,310 --> 00:17:28,720
there is a facebook page dedicated to

484
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that particular phenomenon i have

485
00:17:33,669 --> 00:17:31,760
corresponded with the lady that runs

486
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that and who's done a lot of research

487
00:17:37,590 --> 00:17:35,280
and she evidently has interviewed lots

488
00:17:39,990 --> 00:17:37,600
of people in that area so uh the things

489
00:17:41,510 --> 00:17:40,000
worth pointing out are that these wing

490
00:17:42,950 --> 00:17:41,520
humanoid

491
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uh

492
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flaps seem to be concentrated in certain

493
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areas for whatever reason

494
00:17:52,470 --> 00:17:50,240
um they seem to come in uh

495
00:17:54,470 --> 00:17:52,480
spurts so you'll have like periods of

496
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high activity where a lot of these

497
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things are being seen

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and then

499
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you know maybe gaps when they're not

500
00:18:01,830 --> 00:18:00,400
being seen so much

501
00:18:02,950 --> 00:18:01,840
there seem to be lon and you can

502
00:18:04,630 --> 00:18:02,960
certainly weigh on this with your

503
00:18:07,510 --> 00:18:04,640
experience in the chicago cases there

504
00:18:08,870 --> 00:18:07,520
seem to be a lot of sort of supernatural

505
00:18:11,270 --> 00:18:08,880
or spectral

506
00:18:13,270 --> 00:18:11,280
qualities to these sightings uh the

507
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the the creatures appearance

508
00:18:17,750 --> 00:18:16,000
changes somewhat it vanishes

509
00:18:20,310 --> 00:18:17,760
you know the glowing red eyes which is

510
00:18:23,430 --> 00:18:20,320
always kind of a strong component of uh

511
00:18:26,470 --> 00:18:23,440
paranormal activity or encounters the uh

512
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sulfuric smells and bad smells

513
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hazy misty

514
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you know weird atmospheric things going

515
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on so um

516
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so i don't have more to offer on that

517
00:18:39,830 --> 00:18:36,240
one what do you think about the the

518
00:18:41,750 --> 00:18:39,840
kansas city cases well you know i um

519
00:18:43,909 --> 00:18:41,760
i know morgan k has been looking at a

520
00:18:46,390 --> 00:18:43,919
lot of these uh i think she wrote a book

521
00:18:48,789 --> 00:18:46,400
about it recently but um

522
00:18:50,950 --> 00:18:48,799
uh i think she got more into the demon

523
00:18:52,710 --> 00:18:50,960
aspect or supernatural aspect to him as

524
00:18:54,549 --> 00:18:52,720
opposed to being you know something

525
00:18:55,750 --> 00:18:54,559
that's flesh and blood i you know i

526
00:18:57,350 --> 00:18:55,760
think

527
00:18:59,190 --> 00:18:57,360
you know what just like with chicago and

528
00:19:01,110 --> 00:18:59,200
you know i i will say you're one of the

529
00:19:03,510 --> 00:19:01,120
few people that i shared all this stuff

530
00:19:05,430 --> 00:19:03,520
with as we were going through this these

531
00:19:09,270 --> 00:19:05,440
sightings early on

532
00:19:11,430 --> 00:19:09,280
and uh yeah it was um

533
00:19:13,110 --> 00:19:11,440
i i think what's going on in kansas city

534
00:19:15,350 --> 00:19:13,120
is somewhat similar to what's going on

535
00:19:17,830 --> 00:19:15,360
up in the chicago area uh on not you

536
00:19:19,029 --> 00:19:17,840
know it may very well be the same same

537
00:19:20,630 --> 00:19:19,039
type of being

538
00:19:22,390 --> 00:19:20,640
uh there are different some different

539
00:19:24,230 --> 00:19:22,400
aspects to it and it seems more

540
00:19:26,470 --> 00:19:24,240
supernatural up there i mean in kansas

541
00:19:29,029 --> 00:19:26,480
city as opposed to chicago

542
00:19:30,950 --> 00:19:29,039
so uh yeah but no i i really haven't

543
00:19:33,270 --> 00:19:30,960
looked into much of it i have had people

544
00:19:35,110 --> 00:19:33,280
tell me about these sightings but i

545
00:19:35,830 --> 00:19:35,120
haven't really gone deep into it you

546
00:19:38,630 --> 00:19:35,840
know

547
00:19:40,630 --> 00:19:38,640
gotcha well um i would say

548
00:19:42,310 --> 00:19:40,640
you know one thing that i've researched

549
00:19:44,070 --> 00:19:42,320
and write about my book is a lot of the

550
00:19:45,750 --> 00:19:44,080
uh mythologies around the world and i

551
00:19:47,270 --> 00:19:45,760
think that's an interesting

552
00:19:49,590 --> 00:19:47,280
element we can bring to any of these

553
00:19:52,390 --> 00:19:49,600
modern cases is if you go back you know

554
00:19:53,669 --> 00:19:52,400
in history and in antiquity

555
00:19:56,310 --> 00:19:53,679
i mean

556
00:19:58,549 --> 00:19:56,320
you know the ancient uh

557
00:20:00,150 --> 00:19:58,559
the babylonians and the sumerians and

558
00:20:03,190 --> 00:20:00,160
some of those ancient cultures had

559
00:20:05,190 --> 00:20:03,200
winged humanoid deities like yapkalu and

560
00:20:06,630 --> 00:20:05,200
pazuzu and

561
00:20:08,390 --> 00:20:06,640
all over the world you have different

562
00:20:12,070 --> 00:20:08,400
versions of winged humanoids and

563
00:20:14,310 --> 00:20:12,080
different legends the alcanast and

564
00:20:15,510 --> 00:20:14,320
uh the garaka ribbon

565
00:20:17,110 --> 00:20:15,520
and uh

566
00:20:19,990 --> 00:20:17,120
a lot of these

567
00:20:21,669 --> 00:20:20,000
wing humanoid creatures were taken to be

568
00:20:22,789 --> 00:20:21,679
and this you know people always think

569
00:20:24,710 --> 00:20:22,799
about this when they think about the

570
00:20:26,470 --> 00:20:24,720
mothman they're considered to be

571
00:20:29,669 --> 00:20:26,480
warnings or

572
00:20:31,830 --> 00:20:29,679
uh harbingers of some bad thing that's

573
00:20:35,029 --> 00:20:31,840
gonna happen whether it's a disaster a

574
00:20:36,789 --> 00:20:35,039
famine pestilence um

575
00:20:38,390 --> 00:20:36,799
so that has been a recurring theme and

576
00:20:39,990 --> 00:20:38,400
you can find that in different cultures

577
00:20:41,590 --> 00:20:40,000
around the world which is kind of

578
00:20:43,590 --> 00:20:41,600
intriguing when you think about the

579
00:20:45,029 --> 00:20:43,600
these are disparate cultures that didn't

580
00:20:47,110 --> 00:20:45,039
have any contact but they have these

581
00:20:49,270 --> 00:20:47,120
similar legends of these mothman type

582
00:20:50,310 --> 00:20:49,280
beings so i don't know i don't know what

583
00:20:52,950 --> 00:20:50,320
they are

584
00:20:54,870 --> 00:20:52,960
um you know i think you know we've had

585
00:20:56,789 --> 00:20:54,880
these flesh and blood versus paranormal

586
00:20:59,750 --> 00:20:56,799
discussions i'm of the

587
00:21:02,390 --> 00:20:59,760
view that perhaps something metaphysical

588
00:21:04,310 --> 00:21:02,400
could take on a physical presence which

589
00:21:06,149 --> 00:21:04,320
is not exactly flesh and blood in terms

590
00:21:07,909 --> 00:21:06,159
of evolution but

591
00:21:09,430 --> 00:21:07,919
you know it's there you know for

592
00:21:11,430 --> 00:21:09,440
whatever reason it has a physical

593
00:21:14,390 --> 00:21:11,440
presence in our reality at that moment

594
00:21:17,029 --> 00:21:14,400
so i i think you would agree that people

595
00:21:19,110 --> 00:21:17,039
looking into cryptids as we do have to

596
00:21:21,270 --> 00:21:19,120
keep an open mind about what they the

597
00:21:23,029 --> 00:21:21,280
reality of these things more so now than

598
00:21:25,270 --> 00:21:23,039
ever before

599
00:21:27,909 --> 00:21:25,280
absolutely yeah that's the bottom line

600
00:21:29,990 --> 00:21:27,919
is none of us know it's all speculation

601
00:21:31,990 --> 00:21:30,000
uh try to stay objective is what i tell

602
00:21:33,909 --> 00:21:32,000
people yeah don't don't fall in love

603
00:21:35,430 --> 00:21:33,919
with one just like you said long don't

604
00:21:38,070 --> 00:21:35,440
fall in love with one theory it's a

605
00:21:39,990 --> 00:21:38,080
demon period it's the gin

606
00:21:43,270 --> 00:21:40,000
you know you don't know i mean it's an

607
00:21:45,270 --> 00:21:43,280
it yeah it's it's something not of our

608
00:21:47,669 --> 00:21:45,280
it didn't evolve on our planet but it's

609
00:21:50,630 --> 00:21:47,679
here with us and it shares our reality

610
00:21:52,549 --> 00:21:50,640
from time to time and it scares the

611
00:21:53,990 --> 00:21:52,559
beep out of people you know

612
00:21:56,149 --> 00:21:54,000
i was hoping you'd have a beep there and

613
00:21:58,230 --> 00:21:56,159
i could well yeah well we all know what

614
00:21:59,830 --> 00:21:58,240
you're talking about yeah it terrifies

615
00:22:03,110 --> 00:21:59,840
people it changes their lives

616
00:22:05,190 --> 00:22:03,120
traumatized they get physically ill

617
00:22:07,029 --> 00:22:05,200
they have weird

618
00:22:08,789 --> 00:22:07,039
psychosis and things over the course of

619
00:22:10,070 --> 00:22:08,799
their life so i certainly i don't think

620
00:22:11,110 --> 00:22:10,080
i would want to encounter one of these

621
00:22:13,029 --> 00:22:11,120
things

622
00:22:15,510 --> 00:22:13,039
uh well that kind of leads into this

623
00:22:17,590 --> 00:22:15,520
next question by nancy malcolm what is

624
00:22:20,630 --> 00:22:17,600
the one cryptid that you would be most

625
00:22:22,310 --> 00:22:20,640
afraid to meet ooh that's a actually a

626
00:22:23,909 --> 00:22:22,320
pretty good question

627
00:22:25,669 --> 00:22:23,919
um

628
00:22:27,750 --> 00:22:25,679
well i i don't know i guess this would

629
00:22:29,669 --> 00:22:27,760
depend on whether we're opening

630
00:22:31,430 --> 00:22:29,679
uh the question to like all of the

631
00:22:33,029 --> 00:22:31,440
proposed cryptids because there's

632
00:22:34,950 --> 00:22:33,039
there's some that are probably not as

633
00:22:36,549 --> 00:22:34,960
viable as other

634
00:22:38,070 --> 00:22:36,559
things and um

635
00:22:39,270 --> 00:22:38,080
and then there's kind of the rockstar

636
00:22:42,149 --> 00:22:39,280
cryptids

637
00:22:43,510 --> 00:22:42,159
um uh well i guess the flying humanoids

638
00:22:45,430 --> 00:22:43,520
based on what we just said would be

639
00:22:47,110 --> 00:22:45,440
pretty terrifying or

640
00:22:49,270 --> 00:22:47,120
you know something like the dog man

641
00:22:51,190 --> 00:22:49,280
which is described as being like this

642
00:22:53,750 --> 00:22:51,200
hyper aggressive and terrifying and it

643
00:22:56,230 --> 00:22:53,760
almost it's almost like they feed these

644
00:22:58,070 --> 00:22:56,240
beings feed off of people's fears i mean

645
00:23:01,510 --> 00:22:58,080
they chase them they

646
00:23:02,470 --> 00:23:01,520
stalk them they clot their cars they

647
00:23:04,070 --> 00:23:02,480
yeah

648
00:23:05,990 --> 00:23:04,080
i interviewed

649
00:23:07,909 --> 00:23:06,000
um as part of one of the monster quest

650
00:23:09,669 --> 00:23:07,919
episodes i was on if folks remember this

651
00:23:11,909 --> 00:23:09,679
one i went to mexico and they had these

652
00:23:13,110 --> 00:23:11,919
mothman sightings down near monterey at

653
00:23:14,950 --> 00:23:13,120
that time

654
00:23:18,070 --> 00:23:14,960
and i interviewed this police officer

655
00:23:21,590 --> 00:23:18,080
named leonardo samaniego who encountered

656
00:23:24,470 --> 00:23:21,600
this flying witch with giant black eyes

657
00:23:26,630 --> 00:23:24,480
back in 2000 january of 2004 and it dove

658
00:23:29,110 --> 00:23:26,640
onto his police car at night and was

659
00:23:32,149 --> 00:23:29,120
clawing at him and he passed out

660
00:23:34,549 --> 00:23:32,159
and uh you know he he was on

661
00:23:36,470 --> 00:23:34,559
it made big news he was on like local tv

662
00:23:38,470 --> 00:23:36,480
show news broadcast and in the

663
00:23:40,470 --> 00:23:38,480
newspapers and i interviewed him a few

664
00:23:42,149 --> 00:23:40,480
years after that and

665
00:23:43,590 --> 00:23:42,159
i mean this is a pretty tough guy he

666
00:23:46,390 --> 00:23:43,600
works in one of the toughest

667
00:23:48,789 --> 00:23:46,400
neighborhoods of southern monterey

668
00:23:51,029 --> 00:23:48,799
called guadalupe which is you know

669
00:23:52,950 --> 00:23:51,039
he's a cop there and um

670
00:23:55,029 --> 00:23:52,960
i mean he was just long he was just like

671
00:23:57,430 --> 00:23:55,039
sobbing and

672
00:23:59,590 --> 00:23:57,440
you know talking i remember seeing it

673
00:24:02,549 --> 00:23:59,600
yeah i mean it was very emotional and

674
00:24:04,390 --> 00:24:02,559
this guy was really scared and so that

675
00:24:06,630 --> 00:24:04,400
yeah so i would not want to encounter

676
00:24:08,710 --> 00:24:06,640
this the witch of monterey that would be

677
00:24:10,149 --> 00:24:08,720
i think a pretty terrifying one i'll put

678
00:24:11,269 --> 00:24:10,159
that on my list

679
00:24:13,110 --> 00:24:11,279
oh yeah

680
00:24:14,950 --> 00:24:13,120
yeah that whole thing i mean i still

681
00:24:16,549 --> 00:24:14,960
have people ask me about those all at

682
00:24:18,390 --> 00:24:16,559
the flying witches

683
00:24:20,870 --> 00:24:18,400
and i said well you need to talk to the

684
00:24:23,029 --> 00:24:20,880
ken gerhart because he did that that

685
00:24:25,190 --> 00:24:23,039
segment and uh he you know he i knew he

686
00:24:27,669 --> 00:24:25,200
was you know you had been a part of that

687
00:24:28,950 --> 00:24:27,679
so um well let's uh let's just for fun

688
00:24:33,510 --> 00:24:28,960
let me just throw in can i have a couple

689
00:24:38,149 --> 00:24:35,590
i mean that thing killed like a hundred

690
00:24:40,230 --> 00:24:38,159
people and absolutely basically biting

691
00:24:40,950 --> 00:24:40,240
their heads off and disemboweling them

692
00:24:42,149 --> 00:24:40,960
and

693
00:24:44,230 --> 00:24:42,159
any of those

694
00:24:47,190 --> 00:24:44,240
i don't want to touch

695
00:24:49,430 --> 00:24:47,200
and it was it was like had this powerful

696
00:24:51,950 --> 00:24:49,440
bone crushing ability if people know the

697
00:24:53,590 --> 00:24:51,960
beast of java dan from southern france

698
00:24:55,430 --> 00:24:53,600
1760s

699
00:24:57,590 --> 00:24:55,440
uh so that would be a scary one i don't

700
00:24:59,110 --> 00:24:57,600
think i'd want to encounter that

701
00:25:02,149 --> 00:24:59,120
um

702
00:25:03,990 --> 00:25:02,159
so yeah so there we go you got one uh

703
00:25:06,789 --> 00:25:04,000
kind of like

704
00:25:08,070 --> 00:25:06,799
weird paranormal wing creature and then

705
00:25:09,190 --> 00:25:08,080
you have one that's more of like a

706
00:25:11,269 --> 00:25:09,200
traditional

707
00:25:13,510 --> 00:25:11,279
giant prehistoric

708
00:25:14,870 --> 00:25:13,520
bloodthirsty beast kind of thing and

709
00:25:19,269 --> 00:25:14,880
then we'll put let's do one in the water

710
00:25:23,430 --> 00:25:21,269
they do survive but i mean if you're

711
00:25:25,430 --> 00:25:23,440
talking about a giant carnivorous shark

712
00:25:26,549 --> 00:25:25,440
that's like 40 feet long that eats

713
00:25:29,590 --> 00:25:26,559
whales

714
00:25:30,789 --> 00:25:29,600
and its teeth are like that big i mean

715
00:25:33,029 --> 00:25:30,799
i wouldn't want to run it you know i

716
00:25:34,549 --> 00:25:33,039
wouldn't want to be in the ocean and

717
00:25:37,350 --> 00:25:34,559
you know what was that movie recently

718
00:25:38,390 --> 00:25:37,360
jason stay them or whatever no yeah

719
00:25:40,549 --> 00:25:38,400
yeah

720
00:25:42,149 --> 00:25:40,559
well you know that kind of segues into

721
00:25:44,470 --> 00:25:42,159
this next question because there are

722
00:25:47,510 --> 00:25:44,480
people believe these megalodons still

723
00:25:49,350 --> 00:25:47,520
are around yeah uh is there one this is

724
00:25:51,909 --> 00:25:49,360
from marla snyder is there one animal

725
00:25:55,350 --> 00:25:51,919
that's been declared extinct that you

726
00:25:57,269 --> 00:25:55,360
feel may still be alive

727
00:25:59,029 --> 00:25:57,279
um

728
00:26:01,110 --> 00:25:59,039
yeah that is a good question

729
00:26:03,029 --> 00:26:01,120
i think the first one i think of is the

730
00:26:04,789 --> 00:26:03,039
thylazine yeah that was just that you

731
00:26:05,909 --> 00:26:04,799
got blonde we're on the same wavelength

732
00:26:07,669 --> 00:26:05,919
i had to think about that because we

733
00:26:08,870 --> 00:26:07,679
were coming from that scary place but

734
00:26:10,470 --> 00:26:08,880
yeah let's go back to traditional

735
00:26:13,990 --> 00:26:10,480
cryptozoology

736
00:26:15,990 --> 00:26:14,000
thylacinus luciocephalus the thylacine

737
00:26:17,590 --> 00:26:16,000
the tasmanian tiger tasmanian wolf

738
00:26:22,870 --> 00:26:17,600
they're still there i mean they were

739
00:26:26,310 --> 00:26:24,630
i think they have to the laws you have

740
00:26:28,230 --> 00:26:26,320
or the rules you have to wait 50 years

741
00:26:30,230 --> 00:26:28,240
after the last known specimen and so

742
00:26:32,630 --> 00:26:30,240
like in the 1930s

743
00:26:35,350 --> 00:26:32,640
you know uh one named benjamin died at

744
00:26:37,110 --> 00:26:35,360
the hobart zoo yeah and then 50 years

745
00:26:39,190 --> 00:26:37,120
later there were still of course people

746
00:26:40,390 --> 00:26:39,200
claiming they've seen them but

747
00:26:42,630 --> 00:26:40,400
you know there hadn't been enough

748
00:26:44,630 --> 00:26:42,640
definitive evidence so they uh declared

749
00:26:46,549 --> 00:26:44,640
but yeah i think definitely there could

750
00:26:47,909 --> 00:26:46,559
be some of these thylacines out there in

751
00:26:49,669 --> 00:26:47,919
tasmania

752
00:26:51,350 --> 00:26:49,679
pretty rugged country

753
00:26:53,430 --> 00:26:51,360
they're predators they're they're going

754
00:26:55,750 --> 00:26:53,440
to be very stealthy and

755
00:26:58,070 --> 00:26:55,760
uh elusive and good at hiding and

756
00:26:59,669 --> 00:26:58,080
camouflaging and there probably aren't

757
00:27:01,830 --> 00:26:59,679
many of them sadly but i think they're

758
00:27:03,990 --> 00:27:01,840
definitely still out there

759
00:27:05,750 --> 00:27:04,000
yeah i think their habitat is more in

760
00:27:08,630 --> 00:27:05,760
australia as opposed to being in

761
00:27:10,549 --> 00:27:08,640
tasmania too i mean what do you think

762
00:27:12,070 --> 00:27:10,559
well that's true uh there have been a

763
00:27:13,350 --> 00:27:12,080
lot of sightings in southeastern

764
00:27:14,870 --> 00:27:13,360
australia

765
00:27:16,870 --> 00:27:14,880
new south wales

766
00:27:19,110 --> 00:27:16,880
and the interesting story behind that is

767
00:27:20,789 --> 00:27:19,120
that people didn't know this is that

768
00:27:22,630 --> 00:27:20,799
when the thylacines were sadly being

769
00:27:25,190 --> 00:27:22,640
hunted to extinction there was a bounty

770
00:27:27,269 --> 00:27:25,200
put on them for some stupid

771
00:27:28,549 --> 00:27:27,279
belief that they were killing livestock

772
00:27:30,149 --> 00:27:28,559
which they weren't real i mean they

773
00:27:31,990 --> 00:27:30,159
could but they weren't you know they

774
00:27:34,230 --> 00:27:32,000
weren't the culprits but anyways

775
00:27:35,669 --> 00:27:34,240
um so and people were pretty poor at

776
00:27:37,350 --> 00:27:35,679
this time so they were getting making a

777
00:27:39,830 --> 00:27:37,360
lot of money for every thylacine they

778
00:27:41,190 --> 00:27:39,840
killed well there was a woman and i

779
00:27:43,430 --> 00:27:41,200
can't remember her name but she was

780
00:27:44,549 --> 00:27:43,440
basically a conservationist who saw this

781
00:27:47,110 --> 00:27:44,559
happening

782
00:27:49,029 --> 00:27:47,120
and she apparently trapped

783
00:27:51,350 --> 00:27:49,039
several phylocenes before they went

784
00:27:53,430 --> 00:27:51,360
extinct in tasmania

785
00:27:55,510 --> 00:27:53,440
uh where they were abundant because the

786
00:27:57,669 --> 00:27:55,520
last australian thylacine went extinct

787
00:27:59,350 --> 00:27:57,679
like 3000 years ago as far as we know

788
00:28:02,630 --> 00:27:59,360
and she took them to australia

789
00:28:05,269 --> 00:28:02,640
supposedly and let them loose and so

790
00:28:06,950 --> 00:28:05,279
that is why there's now a belief that if

791
00:28:09,110 --> 00:28:06,960
there's a thylacine population in

792
00:28:10,710 --> 00:28:09,120
australia it's because this woman that

793
00:28:12,789 --> 00:28:10,720
was trying to protect them took them out

794
00:28:14,549 --> 00:28:12,799
of tasmania and released them so i think

795
00:28:17,029 --> 00:28:14,559
that's a pretty cool theory if you think

796
00:28:19,990 --> 00:28:17,039
yeah that's the first i heard that story

797
00:28:22,470 --> 00:28:20,000
yeah so um hidden gems so um yeah

798
00:28:24,389 --> 00:28:22,480
they're tasmania or southern australia

799
00:28:25,909 --> 00:28:24,399
um i have had it's not a secret i've

800
00:28:27,110 --> 00:28:25,919
announced this before

801
00:28:29,669 --> 00:28:27,120
uh

802
00:28:31,750 --> 00:28:29,679
code put a a crimp in this plan but i

803
00:28:33,909 --> 00:28:31,760
have been invited to join a thylacine

804
00:28:35,909 --> 00:28:33,919
expedition in tasmania

805
00:28:37,350 --> 00:28:35,919
and it's as far as i know it's still

806
00:28:39,190 --> 00:28:37,360
kind of on the back burner because

807
00:28:41,590 --> 00:28:39,200
australia has been pretty locked down

808
00:28:43,110 --> 00:28:41,600
understandably since this thing pandemic

809
00:28:44,470 --> 00:28:43,120
started but uh

810
00:28:46,389 --> 00:28:44,480
if i could get over there that would

811
00:28:50,710 --> 00:28:46,399
probably be my my ultimate dream right

812
00:28:52,710 --> 00:28:50,720
now long is to do some piloting research

813
00:28:54,230 --> 00:28:52,720
find one of those things

814
00:28:57,269 --> 00:28:54,240
i i got another one here from

815
00:29:00,389 --> 00:28:57,279
scarborough sasquatch station or gargles

816
00:29:02,389 --> 00:29:00,399
considered good or evil entities

817
00:29:06,389 --> 00:29:02,399
wow that's our opinion this is almost

818
00:29:07,590 --> 00:29:06,399
like a george nuri question because

819
00:29:09,269 --> 00:29:07,600
one time

820
00:29:11,190 --> 00:29:09,279
here's a little behind the scenes i know

821
00:29:12,630 --> 00:29:11,200
we're getting off track but uh on coast

822
00:29:13,750 --> 00:29:12,640
to coast it's always an honor to go on

823
00:29:15,350 --> 00:29:13,760
that show

824
00:29:16,950 --> 00:29:15,360
um they have you submit a list of

825
00:29:18,870 --> 00:29:16,960
questions that you'd like them to ask

826
00:29:20,710 --> 00:29:18,880
you if it'll help you

827
00:29:22,549 --> 00:29:20,720
sell your book or talk about things

828
00:29:24,389 --> 00:29:22,559
you're interested in but george kind of

829
00:29:25,029 --> 00:29:24,399
goes off script sometimes and just kind

830
00:29:27,430 --> 00:29:25,039
of

831
00:29:29,510 --> 00:29:27,440
you know freelances and uh one time he

832
00:29:31,510 --> 00:29:29,520
asked me when i was doing a mothman

833
00:29:35,510 --> 00:29:31,520
flying humanoids interview he asked me

834
00:29:36,630 --> 00:29:35,520
can why are gargoyles so scary

835
00:29:38,230 --> 00:29:36,640
i was like

836
00:29:40,389 --> 00:29:38,240
i had no answer i was kind of like

837
00:29:42,230 --> 00:29:40,399
shocked because it's not a bad question

838
00:29:44,470 --> 00:29:42,240
but it's just like why are they scary i

839
00:29:46,789 --> 00:29:44,480
don't know they are um okay

840
00:29:48,630 --> 00:29:46,799
so i'm sorry i digress let's get back to

841
00:29:49,590 --> 00:29:48,640
it we're talking about gargoyles

842
00:29:51,990 --> 00:29:49,600
um

843
00:29:53,669 --> 00:29:52,000
you know gargoyles are viewed as uh and

844
00:29:55,430 --> 00:29:53,679
under you find this dichotomy in

845
00:29:57,269 --> 00:29:55,440
different a lot of different legendary

846
00:29:58,950 --> 00:29:57,279
creatures is that they have this

847
00:30:01,990 --> 00:29:58,960
dichotomy they have

848
00:30:04,470 --> 00:30:02,000
they are a protector on one hand but

849
00:30:05,669 --> 00:30:04,480
they can also be you know kind of a

850
00:30:07,590 --> 00:30:05,679
scary

851
00:30:09,029 --> 00:30:07,600
avenging bad thing you know that you

852
00:30:11,190 --> 00:30:09,039
don't want to encounter and they have

853
00:30:12,950 --> 00:30:11,200
those dual personalities

854
00:30:16,389 --> 00:30:12,960
and i think you have that probably in a

855
00:30:18,710 --> 00:30:16,399
lot of the the gargoyles i mean the the

856
00:30:20,470 --> 00:30:18,720
uh i can't pronounce the french word but

857
00:30:24,230 --> 00:30:20,480
gargoyle comes from a french word

858
00:30:25,190 --> 00:30:24,240
meaning well um or reservoir because

859
00:30:26,710 --> 00:30:25,200
these

860
00:30:28,549 --> 00:30:26,720
and the whole legend has to do with

861
00:30:30,789 --> 00:30:28,559
these creatures that were protecting the

862
00:30:32,389 --> 00:30:30,799
water and the water sources and things

863
00:30:33,830 --> 00:30:32,399
so um that's why you see a lot of

864
00:30:35,190 --> 00:30:33,840
gargoyles that are fountains with like

865
00:30:37,990 --> 00:30:35,200
water shooting out of their mouths and

866
00:30:40,549 --> 00:30:38,000
stuff in europe but um but yeah um you

867
00:30:43,110 --> 00:30:40,559
know they are good uh because they they

868
00:30:46,310 --> 00:30:43,120
are at times can be protectives

869
00:30:48,230 --> 00:30:46,320
uh sentinels but at other times maybe

870
00:30:50,870 --> 00:30:48,240
they there can be bad ones and they're

871
00:30:52,470 --> 00:30:50,880
aggressive and scary and dangerous so

872
00:30:54,950 --> 00:30:52,480
i don't know if that adequately answered

873
00:30:56,470 --> 00:30:54,960
the question but

874
00:31:00,710 --> 00:30:56,480
well uh

875
00:31:05,669 --> 00:31:03,350
it's about a werewolf or you see a

876
00:31:07,990 --> 00:31:05,679
person have you ever seen a person who

877
00:31:09,909 --> 00:31:08,000
was suspected of being a werewolf or and

878
00:31:12,070 --> 00:31:09,919
what type of features distinguish it

879
00:31:15,190 --> 00:31:12,080
from a dog man

880
00:31:17,350 --> 00:31:15,200
ah okay well i don't

881
00:31:19,669 --> 00:31:17,360
uh know anyone that's seen a traditional

882
00:31:21,110 --> 00:31:19,679
you know in that sense um

883
00:31:22,950 --> 00:31:21,120
obviously i've interviewed dog man

884
00:31:24,470 --> 00:31:22,960
witnesses as you have

885
00:31:26,470 --> 00:31:24,480
um

886
00:31:27,269 --> 00:31:26,480
so this is interesting because a lot of

887
00:31:32,630 --> 00:31:27,279
the

888
00:31:34,310 --> 00:31:32,640
being brought into it i said no that's

889
00:31:35,509 --> 00:31:34,320
something else because a werewolf first

890
00:31:37,909 --> 00:31:35,519
of all a werewolf was obviously a

891
00:31:39,669 --> 00:31:37,919
shapeshifter right the traditional

892
00:31:42,470 --> 00:31:39,679
european legends

893
00:31:43,509 --> 00:31:42,480
uh from 15th and 16th century france and

894
00:31:46,070 --> 00:31:43,519
germany

895
00:31:47,990 --> 00:31:46,080
uh you know it was a person who had

896
00:31:49,029 --> 00:31:48,000
basically entered into a pact with the

897
00:31:51,509 --> 00:31:49,039
devil

898
00:31:53,430 --> 00:31:51,519
and obtained this ability either by

899
00:31:56,549 --> 00:31:53,440
putting on a magical ointment an

900
00:31:58,470 --> 00:31:56,559
incantation an animal fur over the body

901
00:32:00,230 --> 00:31:58,480
and they would literally transform into

902
00:32:02,549 --> 00:32:00,240
this and you know ultimately there was a

903
00:32:04,070 --> 00:32:02,559
price to pay because they had they

904
00:32:06,470 --> 00:32:04,080
you know made this deal with the devil

905
00:32:07,669 --> 00:32:06,480
so it was going to be a bad

906
00:32:09,350 --> 00:32:07,679
bad trip

907
00:32:11,190 --> 00:32:09,360
south uh when they were finished with

908
00:32:13,830 --> 00:32:11,200
all that but um

909
00:32:16,389 --> 00:32:13,840
but a traditional european werewolf is a

910
00:32:18,870 --> 00:32:16,399
shape shifter but it's not bipedal

911
00:32:21,269 --> 00:32:18,880
uh most virtually all werewolf legends

912
00:32:23,029 --> 00:32:21,279
talk about basically huge wolves on four

913
00:32:24,549 --> 00:32:23,039
legs not two

914
00:32:25,990 --> 00:32:24,559
but they do have some different

915
00:32:28,549 --> 00:32:26,000
characteristics

916
00:32:31,430 --> 00:32:28,559
um they are often said to have human

917
00:32:33,110 --> 00:32:31,440
eyes so their eyes are not can't canada

918
00:32:34,470 --> 00:32:33,120
or dog-like they have human eyes and a

919
00:32:36,549 --> 00:32:34,480
wolf's body

920
00:32:38,549 --> 00:32:36,559
and they frequently do not have a tail

921
00:32:40,149 --> 00:32:38,559
they have the whole body of the wolf

922
00:32:42,630 --> 00:32:40,159
except for the tail

923
00:32:44,630 --> 00:32:42,640
and they don't really go up on two legs

924
00:32:47,269 --> 00:32:44,640
um and they are they're essentially like

925
00:32:49,269 --> 00:32:47,279
giant killer wolves but they have a

926
00:32:51,110 --> 00:32:49,279
level of intelligence and cunning of a

927
00:32:53,590 --> 00:32:51,120
human you know almost like a serial

928
00:32:55,350 --> 00:32:53,600
killer so it's not it's not just like a

929
00:32:56,950 --> 00:32:55,360
wolf which would be scary enough but

930
00:32:57,990 --> 00:32:56,960
it's like this wolf that's kind of

931
00:33:00,310 --> 00:32:58,000
planning

932
00:33:01,269 --> 00:33:00,320
you know how to get you or you know how

933
00:33:03,990 --> 00:33:01,279
to

934
00:33:05,590 --> 00:33:04,000
eradicate a family a person at a time or

935
00:33:06,710 --> 00:33:05,600
what you know whatever the werewolf is

936
00:33:07,590 --> 00:33:06,720
going to do

937
00:33:09,750 --> 00:33:07,600
um

938
00:33:11,430 --> 00:33:09,760
so that doesn't really match any of the

939
00:33:14,149 --> 00:33:11,440
modern dog man accounts we get from

940
00:33:15,909 --> 00:33:14,159
north america you know i i know from you

941
00:33:17,430 --> 00:33:15,919
know from speaking with linda godfrey

942
00:33:19,590 --> 00:33:17,440
and other researchers that dogman does

943
00:33:21,509 --> 00:33:19,600
go down on all fours occasionally i mean

944
00:33:23,110 --> 00:33:21,519
that was something i hadn't heard that

945
00:33:24,710 --> 00:33:23,120
as much but apparently that has been

946
00:33:25,090 --> 00:33:24,720
reported

947
00:33:27,190 --> 00:33:25,100
um

948
00:33:29,430 --> 00:33:27,200
[Music]

949
00:33:31,110 --> 00:33:29,440
so yeah dog man is more like a bipedal

950
00:33:33,430 --> 00:33:31,120
anthropomorphic

951
00:33:35,669 --> 00:33:33,440
half human half dog similar to the

952
00:33:37,750 --> 00:33:35,679
mothman and the flying humanoids in that

953
00:33:40,149 --> 00:33:37,760
there seems to be kind of a weird

954
00:33:42,470 --> 00:33:40,159
metaphysical aspect and they chase and

955
00:33:44,710 --> 00:33:42,480
terrify and they're hyper aggressive

956
00:33:46,149 --> 00:33:44,720
um but the traditional european werewolf

957
00:33:48,389 --> 00:33:46,159
you know was always thought of as more

958
00:33:50,230 --> 00:33:48,399
of a kind of associated with witchcraft

959
00:33:52,470 --> 00:33:50,240
and the devil and

960
00:33:54,549 --> 00:33:52,480
it's kind of like a curse type thing

961
00:33:56,230 --> 00:33:54,559
that you know

962
00:33:58,470 --> 00:33:56,240
um i don't know if they're connected i

963
00:33:59,909 --> 00:33:58,480
mean yeah to me the names are similar

964
00:34:02,549 --> 00:33:59,919
enough and that's what i always bring up

965
00:34:05,669 --> 00:34:02,559
i mean werewolf basically means dog man

966
00:34:06,630 --> 00:34:05,679
it's just half german so

967
00:34:08,869 --> 00:34:06,640
what do you i don't know what do you

968
00:34:09,829 --> 00:34:08,879
think about that

969
00:34:17,990 --> 00:34:09,839
you know

970
00:34:19,349 --> 00:34:18,000
upright k9 dogman

971
00:34:21,349 --> 00:34:19,359
lore

972
00:34:24,550 --> 00:34:21,359
really started to hit the united states

973
00:34:26,230 --> 00:34:24,560
to hit america when a lot of the

974
00:34:28,149 --> 00:34:26,240
the pennsylvania dutch or the

975
00:34:30,310 --> 00:34:28,159
pennsylvania i mean the german farmers

976
00:34:32,710 --> 00:34:30,320
came over here that's right and started

977
00:34:37,510 --> 00:34:32,720
settling in pennsylvania maryland

978
00:34:39,190 --> 00:34:37,520
and uh they were calling those things uh

979
00:34:42,470 --> 00:34:39,200
well i mean they had all kinds of names

980
00:34:45,190 --> 00:34:42,480
for them but anyway they they were um

981
00:34:48,069 --> 00:34:45,200
they were reporting these these canids

982
00:34:50,069 --> 00:34:48,079
cryptids and um

983
00:34:52,389 --> 00:34:50,079
i i think that's a that's i think that's

984
00:34:54,230 --> 00:34:52,399
where a lot of this started from

985
00:34:57,109 --> 00:34:54,240
now i'm not saying that

986
00:34:59,190 --> 00:34:57,119
these are all legends and these are

987
00:35:00,470 --> 00:34:59,200
maybe thought forms or something i don't

988
00:35:02,390 --> 00:35:00,480
know what they are

989
00:35:04,069 --> 00:35:02,400
but uh you know we do get a lot of

990
00:35:05,670 --> 00:35:04,079
reports and here in pennsylvania we get

991
00:35:07,670 --> 00:35:05,680
a lot of reports we're working on some

992
00:35:11,349 --> 00:35:07,680
new reports right now up in cambridge

993
00:35:12,950 --> 00:35:11,359
county pennsylvania wow uh so uh

994
00:35:15,030 --> 00:35:12,960
yeah pennsylvania's definitely been a

995
00:35:17,349 --> 00:35:15,040
hot spot i think yeah you know up there

996
00:35:18,870 --> 00:35:17,359
with ohio kentucky and you know maybe

997
00:35:20,550 --> 00:35:18,880
michigan wisconsin i mean it seems like

998
00:35:21,589 --> 00:35:20,560
those five states you guys all have

999
00:35:22,710 --> 00:35:21,599
these

1000
00:35:24,470 --> 00:35:22,720
you know

1001
00:35:25,589 --> 00:35:24,480
like you have some strange sightings

1002
00:35:27,109 --> 00:35:25,599
yeah

1003
00:35:29,270 --> 00:35:27,119
similar again to the flying humanoids

1004
00:35:31,270 --> 00:35:29,280
right you get these absolutely these

1005
00:35:32,870 --> 00:35:31,280
pockets or whatever i'm sorry yeah we

1006
00:35:35,829 --> 00:35:32,880
got them here i mean i had my encounter

1007
00:35:38,870 --> 00:35:35,839
in 88 and we've also had these winged

1008
00:35:39,670 --> 00:35:38,880
humanoid sightings in this area

1009
00:35:43,750 --> 00:35:39,680
uh

1010
00:35:47,270 --> 00:35:45,990
timothy renner he's talked about it and

1011
00:35:48,950 --> 00:35:47,280
we've had

1012
00:35:51,430 --> 00:35:48,960
you know this york and adams county

1013
00:35:53,190 --> 00:35:51,440
areas has has been known for having a

1014
00:35:55,270 --> 00:35:53,200
lot of weird things

1015
00:35:57,510 --> 00:35:55,280
but uh yeah we've had these winged

1016
00:35:59,990 --> 00:35:57,520
humanoids as well as a few dogman

1017
00:36:01,510 --> 00:36:00,000
upright canine settings so

1018
00:36:03,190 --> 00:36:01,520
yeah these are hot spots there's no

1019
00:36:04,870 --> 00:36:03,200
doubt about it

1020
00:36:07,109 --> 00:36:04,880
uh

1021
00:36:10,829 --> 00:36:07,119
nancy malcolm asked though what is the

1022
00:36:13,710 --> 00:36:10,839
difference between ets and

1023
00:36:15,990 --> 00:36:13,720
cryptids well uh you know obviously

1024
00:36:18,550 --> 00:36:16,000
extraterrestrial means

1025
00:36:20,390 --> 00:36:18,560
you know not of the land not of this

1026
00:36:22,390 --> 00:36:20,400
land you know it's the lat would be the

1027
00:36:24,550 --> 00:36:22,400
latin translation and that by that

1028
00:36:25,990 --> 00:36:24,560
meaning our planet earth

1029
00:36:28,710 --> 00:36:26,000
so an extraterrestrial would

1030
00:36:29,829 --> 00:36:28,720
theoretically be a life form

1031
00:36:32,630 --> 00:36:29,839
that

1032
00:36:33,750 --> 00:36:32,640
is not evolved or developed on this

1033
00:36:36,069 --> 00:36:33,760
planet

1034
00:36:37,829 --> 00:36:36,079
and uh a cryptid the traditional

1035
00:36:40,069 --> 00:36:37,839
description of cryptid

1036
00:36:41,589 --> 00:36:40,079
and the one that i mostly adhere to is

1037
00:36:42,990 --> 00:36:41,599
the one that

1038
00:36:46,390 --> 00:36:43,000
you know it comes stems from

1039
00:36:47,990 --> 00:36:46,400
cryptozoology which is based on the

1040
00:36:50,390 --> 00:36:48,000
concept of

1041
00:36:52,550 --> 00:36:50,400
undiscovered animal species

1042
00:36:54,550 --> 00:36:52,560
and uh you know even if those animal

1043
00:36:56,470 --> 00:36:54,560
species often display

1044
00:36:58,150 --> 00:36:56,480
sort of fabulous characteristics and

1045
00:37:00,550 --> 00:36:58,160
have legends behind them things like

1046
00:37:03,430 --> 00:37:00,560
bigfoot the loch ness monster

1047
00:37:06,310 --> 00:37:03,440
mystery cats and things like that like

1048
00:37:08,630 --> 00:37:06,320
uh lake monsters but um

1049
00:37:12,069 --> 00:37:08,640
you know i think obviously the the field

1050
00:37:13,670 --> 00:37:12,079
has evolved not because of a conscious

1051
00:37:16,710 --> 00:37:13,680
uh

1052
00:37:19,750 --> 00:37:16,720
effort by the investigators

1053
00:37:22,069 --> 00:37:19,760
that are true to that

1054
00:37:24,790 --> 00:37:22,079
you know or original format of

1055
00:37:27,510 --> 00:37:24,800
zoological mystery but mainly because

1056
00:37:28,790 --> 00:37:27,520
you had other investigators like john

1057
00:37:30,710 --> 00:37:28,800
keel

1058
00:37:32,790 --> 00:37:30,720
and um

1059
00:37:34,310 --> 00:37:32,800
you know at ivan sanderson who was one

1060
00:37:36,870 --> 00:37:34,320
of the founders of christology towards

1061
00:37:38,950 --> 00:37:36,880
the end of his career when he started

1062
00:37:41,270 --> 00:37:38,960
the society for the investigation of the

1063
00:37:43,910 --> 00:37:41,280
unexplained in new jersey and he was he

1064
00:37:47,030 --> 00:37:43,920
got really into like ufos and

1065
00:37:49,030 --> 00:37:47,040
uh other phenomenon and so and and then

1066
00:37:51,109 --> 00:37:49,040
you had a guy named ted holiday in the

1067
00:37:53,670 --> 00:37:51,119
60s he was a loch ness investigator who

1068
00:37:55,190 --> 00:37:53,680
went from flesh and blood nessie to

1069
00:37:57,109 --> 00:37:55,200
paranormal

1070
00:38:00,150 --> 00:37:57,119
the dragon and the i can't remember the

1071
00:38:01,910 --> 00:38:00,160
name of his book uh the goblin universe

1072
00:38:04,390 --> 00:38:01,920
so there was kind of like an evolution

1073
00:38:06,470 --> 00:38:04,400
with cryptozoology starting the late 60s

1074
00:38:08,950 --> 00:38:06,480
early 70s where some researchers began

1075
00:38:11,190 --> 00:38:08,960
to look at this stuff more spiritually

1076
00:38:13,190 --> 00:38:11,200
as opposed to just straight zoology

1077
00:38:14,470 --> 00:38:13,200
and then i think i i don't know if he's

1078
00:38:16,950 --> 00:38:14,480
going to like me calling him out on this

1079
00:38:18,550 --> 00:38:16,960
but lauren coleman and jerome clark when

1080
00:38:20,790 --> 00:38:18,560
they wrote creatures of the outer edge

1081
00:38:22,950 --> 00:38:20,800
in the 70s you know they were writing

1082
00:38:25,109 --> 00:38:22,960
about bigfoot and lake monsters and big

1083
00:38:27,349 --> 00:38:25,119
bird but they were taking more of that

1084
00:38:29,190 --> 00:38:27,359
kind of like 40 and look at it like is

1085
00:38:32,470 --> 00:38:29,200
there some are these just animals or is

1086
00:38:34,470 --> 00:38:32,480
it something more like beyond our realm

1087
00:38:37,109 --> 00:38:34,480
of comprehension so the field has just

1088
00:38:39,270 --> 00:38:37,119
kind of evolved over the decades and

1089
00:38:40,790 --> 00:38:39,280
particularly when social media got big

1090
00:38:43,030 --> 00:38:40,800
in recent years

1091
00:38:45,109 --> 00:38:43,040
and uh the general public had more

1092
00:38:47,829 --> 00:38:45,119
influence in terms of you know

1093
00:38:50,550 --> 00:38:47,839
definitions of what a cryptid should be

1094
00:38:52,950 --> 00:38:50,560
and uh you know so now of course a lot

1095
00:38:55,910 --> 00:38:52,960
of people think a cryptid also refers to

1096
00:38:57,510 --> 00:38:55,920
the slender man or the wendigo or

1097
00:38:59,990 --> 00:38:57,520
you know some of these things that were

1098
00:39:01,270 --> 00:39:00,000
not really considered cryptids back in

1099
00:39:03,270 --> 00:39:01,280
the day

1100
00:39:04,310 --> 00:39:03,280
um but i don't know i guess i guess if

1101
00:39:06,230 --> 00:39:04,320
we're gonna

1102
00:39:07,990 --> 00:39:06,240
uh try to please as many people as we

1103
00:39:08,950 --> 00:39:08,000
can long we could say okay so a cryptid

1104
00:39:11,190 --> 00:39:08,960
means

1105
00:39:12,950 --> 00:39:11,200
like a creature of the earth even if

1106
00:39:14,950 --> 00:39:12,960
it's a really far out creature but we

1107
00:39:15,910 --> 00:39:14,960
think it's been here on earth for a long

1108
00:39:17,750 --> 00:39:15,920
time

1109
00:39:19,829 --> 00:39:17,760
but an extraterrestrial is going to be

1110
00:39:21,510 --> 00:39:19,839
something that we really feel

1111
00:39:24,310 --> 00:39:21,520
okay this is definitely not from our

1112
00:39:26,829 --> 00:39:24,320
planet so it came down in a craft

1113
00:39:29,270 --> 00:39:26,839
you know it's collecting specimens i

1114
00:39:31,030 --> 00:39:29,280
mean this is all speculation that goes

1115
00:39:32,870 --> 00:39:31,040
like what would an extraterrestrial do

1116
00:39:35,030 --> 00:39:32,880
on our planet but then you have that

1117
00:39:36,550 --> 00:39:35,040
blurry line of like interdimensional and

1118
00:39:37,510 --> 00:39:36,560
portals you know maybe it's not from

1119
00:39:38,870 --> 00:39:37,520
space

1120
00:39:41,430 --> 00:39:38,880
it's an ultra-terrestrial it's from

1121
00:39:43,430 --> 00:39:41,440
another reality that's a term i use more

1122
00:39:45,109 --> 00:39:43,440
and more now ultra-terrestrial because

1123
00:39:47,589 --> 00:39:45,119
it seems like

1124
00:39:49,750 --> 00:39:47,599
there's more phenomena now that can fit

1125
00:39:52,870 --> 00:39:49,760
in that category as opposed to saying

1126
00:39:55,270 --> 00:39:52,880
extraterrestrial or cryptid or you know

1127
00:39:58,310 --> 00:39:55,280
maybe you know maybe there is maybe

1128
00:40:00,710 --> 00:39:58,320
there's a connection there yeah you know

1129
00:40:02,310 --> 00:40:00,720
who knows uh maybe the you know if john

1130
00:40:04,950 --> 00:40:02,320
keel had it right then he thought that

1131
00:40:07,109 --> 00:40:04,960
this phenomenon was all the same thing

1132
00:40:08,550 --> 00:40:07,119
uh that these ultra-terrestrial beings

1133
00:40:10,950 --> 00:40:08,560
were basically he called it the global

1134
00:40:13,349 --> 00:40:10,960
trickster that it was a shape-shifting

1135
00:40:15,430 --> 00:40:13,359
phenomenon so it took different forms it

1136
00:40:16,950 --> 00:40:15,440
was a dog man then it became a mothman

1137
00:40:19,030 --> 00:40:16,960
or a bigfoot

1138
00:40:20,710 --> 00:40:19,040
and you know we could only speculate why

1139
00:40:22,870 --> 00:40:20,720
it was doing this

1140
00:40:24,550 --> 00:40:22,880
uh but you know so

1141
00:40:26,390 --> 00:40:24,560
something from another dimension could

1142
00:40:29,030 --> 00:40:26,400
pose as something that's coming from

1143
00:40:30,630 --> 00:40:29,040
outer space as opposed to through a

1144
00:40:33,349 --> 00:40:30,640
a portal maybe i'm getting into some

1145
00:40:35,030 --> 00:40:33,359
pretty wild speculation now but you know

1146
00:40:36,829 --> 00:40:35,040
what i'm saying a lot i mean it's not

1147
00:40:38,790 --> 00:40:36,839
any different what i'm talking

1148
00:40:40,790 --> 00:40:38,800
about time

1149
00:40:42,550 --> 00:40:40,800
it's all about our perception how do we

1150
00:40:44,870 --> 00:40:42,560
absolutely you know what is this

1151
00:40:46,630 --> 00:40:44,880
phenomenon where is it coming from

1152
00:40:48,230 --> 00:40:46,640
some people claim they've been

1153
00:40:50,309 --> 00:40:48,240
abducted by aliens some people they

1154
00:40:51,270 --> 00:40:50,319
claim they've been abducted by bigfoots

1155
00:40:53,109 --> 00:40:51,280
you know

1156
00:40:56,390 --> 00:40:53,119
is it the same type of abduction it's

1157
00:40:58,390 --> 00:40:56,400
just the person who's being abducted is

1158
00:40:59,589 --> 00:40:58,400
visualizing it or perceiving it in a

1159
00:41:01,270 --> 00:40:59,599
different way

1160
00:41:02,630 --> 00:41:01,280
absolutely

1161
00:41:04,790 --> 00:41:02,640
you know there's something that came up

1162
00:41:06,870 --> 00:41:04,800
here um

1163
00:41:09,349 --> 00:41:06,880
ab put it up there about

1164
00:41:12,150 --> 00:41:09,359
when you were in alaska and you talked

1165
00:41:13,829 --> 00:41:12,160
about the little people up there and um

1166
00:41:16,550 --> 00:41:13,839
i always thought that was fascinating

1167
00:41:18,309 --> 00:41:16,560
tell us a bit about that again will you

1168
00:41:20,870 --> 00:41:18,319
yeah so um

1169
00:41:23,109 --> 00:41:20,880
you know as you investigate bigfoot all

1170
00:41:24,550 --> 00:41:23,119
over north america particularly i've

1171
00:41:26,309 --> 00:41:24,560
noticed if you're speaking to native

1172
00:41:28,710 --> 00:41:26,319
american people you'll hear a lot of

1173
00:41:30,390 --> 00:41:28,720
stories i mean they'll often you know

1174
00:41:33,030 --> 00:41:30,400
acknowledge yes there is something like

1175
00:41:35,430 --> 00:41:33,040
bigfoot in our culture a big hairy wild

1176
00:41:37,510 --> 00:41:35,440
man or whatever but they always you know

1177
00:41:40,550 --> 00:41:37,520
i've i've encountered native american

1178
00:41:42,710 --> 00:41:40,560
people from alaska to the dakotas to

1179
00:41:44,390 --> 00:41:42,720
central america different cultures that

1180
00:41:45,430 --> 00:41:44,400
have all told me about little people

1181
00:41:46,309 --> 00:41:45,440
legends

1182
00:41:48,550 --> 00:41:46,319
and

1183
00:41:50,870 --> 00:41:48,560
not the traditional you know we're not

1184
00:41:53,349 --> 00:41:50,880
talking about necessarily a straight

1185
00:41:54,790 --> 00:41:53,359
traditional european fairy

1186
00:41:56,390 --> 00:41:54,800
gnome

1187
00:41:58,630 --> 00:41:56,400
you know type of leprechaun type of

1188
00:41:59,510 --> 00:41:58,640
thing because they often

1189
00:42:02,390 --> 00:41:59,520
uh

1190
00:42:04,550 --> 00:42:02,400
describe these little people as being

1191
00:42:06,470 --> 00:42:04,560
covered in hair and having almost more

1192
00:42:08,230 --> 00:42:06,480
like a bigfoot type of quality even

1193
00:42:10,309 --> 00:42:08,240
though they're very small and short

1194
00:42:12,630 --> 00:42:10,319
powerfully built

1195
00:42:14,790 --> 00:42:12,640
about three and a half feet tall

1196
00:42:17,349 --> 00:42:14,800
usually reddish colored hair that's

1197
00:42:19,829 --> 00:42:17,359
interesting um

1198
00:42:22,309 --> 00:42:19,839
the long claws long teeth very

1199
00:42:24,790 --> 00:42:22,319
aggressive uh towards humans very

1200
00:42:26,870 --> 00:42:24,800
powerful and very greatly feared so they

1201
00:42:29,910 --> 00:42:26,880
almost sounds like a kind of a mini

1202
00:42:32,390 --> 00:42:29,920
dwarf sasquatch almost similar to the so

1203
00:42:33,670 --> 00:42:32,400
called a rang pen deck or short man of

1204
00:42:35,750 --> 00:42:33,680
sumatra

1205
00:42:38,150 --> 00:42:35,760
or the ebu gogo

1206
00:42:39,910 --> 00:42:38,160
of flores or some of these other

1207
00:42:43,430 --> 00:42:39,920
you know sort of little

1208
00:42:45,910 --> 00:42:43,440
hairy men stories from around the world

1209
00:42:48,470 --> 00:42:45,920
now there is a slightly

1210
00:42:49,990 --> 00:42:48,480
metaphysical or woo aspect to the little

1211
00:42:51,910 --> 00:42:50,000
people legends because even though

1212
00:42:53,109 --> 00:42:51,920
they're often described as hairy little

1213
00:42:55,670 --> 00:42:53,119
savage

1214
00:42:58,069 --> 00:42:55,680
like men they also have some

1215
00:43:00,230 --> 00:42:58,079
magical abilities according to so many

1216
00:43:01,990 --> 00:43:00,240
natives they can alter time

1217
00:43:03,990 --> 00:43:02,000
uh they can step

1218
00:43:05,750 --> 00:43:04,000
they live in caves they abduct people

1219
00:43:06,870 --> 00:43:05,760
but they can alter time or they can

1220
00:43:08,309 --> 00:43:06,880
vanish

1221
00:43:10,230 --> 00:43:08,319
um

1222
00:43:12,950 --> 00:43:10,240
so they're they're actually very

1223
00:43:14,790 --> 00:43:12,960
they're very frightening to people um

1224
00:43:17,510 --> 00:43:14,800
the native americans seem to be more

1225
00:43:20,630 --> 00:43:17,520
terrified of little people than you know

1226
00:43:22,790 --> 00:43:20,640
hairy men sasquatch type things

1227
00:43:24,390 --> 00:43:22,800
um so you know i wrote a chapter in my

1228
00:43:25,430 --> 00:43:24,400
bigfoot book where i focused on the

1229
00:43:29,190 --> 00:43:25,440
little

1230
00:43:30,550 --> 00:43:29,200
invented that

1231
00:43:31,750 --> 00:43:30,560
i definitely came up with it before the

1232
00:43:33,510 --> 00:43:31,760
movie but i think there were other

1233
00:43:35,430 --> 00:43:33,520
people

1234
00:43:37,109 --> 00:43:35,440
so it looks like a bigfoot but it's

1235
00:43:38,870 --> 00:43:37,119
little it's a little foot

1236
00:43:41,349 --> 00:43:38,880
some of those accounts may refer to

1237
00:43:44,069 --> 00:43:41,359
juvenile sasquatches we know bigfoot is

1238
00:43:45,109 --> 00:43:44,079
not born seven feet tall and 800 pounds

1239
00:43:47,430 --> 00:43:45,119
but still

1240
00:43:49,030 --> 00:43:47,440
uh the the beliefs these native beliefs

1241
00:43:52,230 --> 00:43:49,040
usually refer to

1242
00:43:53,109 --> 00:43:52,240
you know us tribes or

1243
00:43:54,950 --> 00:43:53,119
you know

1244
00:43:56,230 --> 00:43:54,960
family units of these little people

1245
00:43:58,230 --> 00:43:56,240
creatures

1246
00:43:59,670 --> 00:43:58,240
so some of the names in alaska they had

1247
00:44:01,109 --> 00:43:59,680
many different names they're called

1248
00:44:04,069 --> 00:44:01,119
anukans

1249
00:44:06,950 --> 00:44:04,079
urchin rock jinxiak

1250
00:44:10,630 --> 00:44:09,190
in the dakotas they are the narumbi the

1251
00:44:12,710 --> 00:44:10,640
awakuli

1252
00:44:15,349 --> 00:44:12,720
the hachesite

1253
00:44:16,950 --> 00:44:15,359
uh minnesota the mamagueshi

1254
00:44:19,430 --> 00:44:16,960
uh you've got the albert witch the

1255
00:44:22,230 --> 00:44:19,440
pukwudgies central america they're the

1256
00:44:24,550 --> 00:44:22,240
duende in mexico the dwene so yeah el

1257
00:44:25,829 --> 00:44:24,560
kakui so they're just like little goblin

1258
00:44:27,270 --> 00:44:25,839
type things

1259
00:44:28,950 --> 00:44:27,280
i don't know you know again it's one of

1260
00:44:30,309 --> 00:44:28,960
those things that kind of straddles that

1261
00:44:32,230 --> 00:44:30,319
border line between is there a

1262
00:44:33,670 --> 00:44:32,240
zoological aspect to this because there

1263
00:44:35,990 --> 00:44:33,680
were little hairy

1264
00:44:39,510 --> 00:44:36,000
man-like creatures running all over

1265
00:44:41,589 --> 00:44:39,520
africa and asia for millions of years

1266
00:44:43,990 --> 00:44:41,599
uh could they still be around or are

1267
00:44:45,990 --> 00:44:44,000
these more in line with some of this

1268
00:44:47,510 --> 00:44:46,000
other kind of far out you know what we

1269
00:44:51,349 --> 00:44:47,520
were just talking about something from

1270
00:44:52,390 --> 00:44:51,359
another dimension or or whatever but uh

1271
00:44:55,030 --> 00:44:52,400
that you know they certainly the

1272
00:44:57,430 --> 00:44:55,040
traditions go back a very long time in a

1273
00:44:59,190 --> 00:44:57,440
lot of different american cultures

1274
00:45:02,630 --> 00:44:59,200
well you know the albatric is what we

1275
00:45:04,309 --> 00:45:02,640
have here uh and it's not it's it's in

1276
00:45:07,190 --> 00:45:04,319
along the susquehanna river over in

1277
00:45:07,990 --> 00:45:07,200
lancaster county around uh yep

1278
00:45:12,069 --> 00:45:08,000
uh

1279
00:45:14,870 --> 00:45:12,079
and yeah they have in fact they have a

1280
00:45:16,710 --> 00:45:14,880
festival there every year and uh yeah

1281
00:45:17,910 --> 00:45:16,720
that that legend has been going on for a

1282
00:45:19,030 --> 00:45:17,920
long time but you know some of the

1283
00:45:21,670 --> 00:45:19,040
accounts

1284
00:45:23,589 --> 00:45:21,680
you know i had a um i had

1285
00:45:25,510 --> 00:45:23,599
an account come to me now this was

1286
00:45:27,349 --> 00:45:25,520
further south in the across the river

1287
00:45:30,950 --> 00:45:27,359
into york county

1288
00:45:33,510 --> 00:45:30,960
in uh in red line but of a small

1289
00:45:35,670 --> 00:45:33,520
uh a little bigfoot that people

1290
00:45:37,750 --> 00:45:35,680
this woman had seen running across the

1291
00:45:39,829 --> 00:45:37,760
field and stuff so

1292
00:45:42,309 --> 00:45:39,839
people see them i mean there's no doubt

1293
00:45:44,870 --> 00:45:42,319
about that yeah i uh i do have a

1294
00:45:46,950 --> 00:45:44,880
footprint that i cast in belize when i

1295
00:45:49,510 --> 00:45:46,960
was doing a duende investigation in

1296
00:45:52,150 --> 00:45:49,520
2004-2006

1297
00:45:54,470 --> 00:45:52,160
and uh it was in a pretty remote area at

1298
00:45:56,069 --> 00:45:54,480
a place called pervasian creek we were

1299
00:45:58,870 --> 00:45:56,079
searching in the maya mountains where a

1300
00:46:00,550 --> 00:45:58,880
lot of these duendes were said to live

1301
00:46:02,390 --> 00:46:00,560
and um

1302
00:46:04,790 --> 00:46:02,400
i found one humanoid well i found like

1303
00:46:06,470 --> 00:46:04,800
two or three but uh they were they

1304
00:46:08,309 --> 00:46:06,480
basically very human like prince but

1305
00:46:10,630 --> 00:46:08,319
small but you can see that it was not a

1306
00:46:12,390 --> 00:46:10,640
shoe or a boot or a moccasin it was

1307
00:46:14,069 --> 00:46:12,400
someone walking around barefoot now

1308
00:46:15,030 --> 00:46:14,079
first of all there are not this is a

1309
00:46:17,750 --> 00:46:15,040
very

1310
00:46:20,150 --> 00:46:17,760
uh unpopulated area so there there

1311
00:46:21,829 --> 00:46:20,160
really aren't there are traditional maya

1312
00:46:23,430 --> 00:46:21,839
people from that region but they don't

1313
00:46:24,870 --> 00:46:23,440
live in these particular areas and they

1314
00:46:26,550 --> 00:46:24,880
certainly don't want to walk around

1315
00:46:28,630 --> 00:46:26,560
barefoot because you have a lot of

1316
00:46:31,109 --> 00:46:28,640
fertile ants snakes and

1317
00:46:33,750 --> 00:46:31,119
scorpions and tarantulas and things

1318
00:46:35,589 --> 00:46:33,760
spiky things on the ground thorny things

1319
00:46:37,190 --> 00:46:35,599
but this one footprint in particular had

1320
00:46:38,870 --> 00:46:37,200
a pointy heel

1321
00:46:40,550 --> 00:46:38,880
it was a human-like track it was about

1322
00:46:42,710 --> 00:46:40,560
six inches long with a pointy heel and

1323
00:46:44,309 --> 00:46:42,720
what was cool about that was that that

1324
00:46:46,309 --> 00:46:44,319
was one of the

1325
00:46:47,829 --> 00:46:46,319
stories that i'd heard about the duende

1326
00:46:49,510 --> 00:46:47,839
is that they have you know they're these

1327
00:46:50,870 --> 00:46:49,520
little goblin-like creatures that live

1328
00:46:52,950 --> 00:46:50,880
in the mountains and they leave

1329
00:46:55,430 --> 00:46:52,960
footprints with a pointy heel

1330
00:46:58,069 --> 00:46:55,440
uh now similarly it's also said that

1331
00:46:59,910 --> 00:46:58,079
they their feet are on backwards which

1332
00:47:02,309 --> 00:46:59,920
is a recurring trope or theme that you

1333
00:47:03,109 --> 00:47:02,319
find in different they get from the yeti

1334
00:47:07,430 --> 00:47:03,119
to

1335
00:47:08,630 --> 00:47:07,440
human-like creatures in some legends

1336
00:47:10,390 --> 00:47:08,640
they're said to have their feet on

1337
00:47:12,069 --> 00:47:10,400
backwards which i don't know what

1338
00:47:13,589 --> 00:47:12,079
exactly what that means but it's just

1339
00:47:15,750 --> 00:47:13,599
kind of one of those things that comes

1340
00:47:17,430 --> 00:47:15,760
up so uh oh another interesting thing

1341
00:47:20,069 --> 00:47:17,440
about the duende is that

1342
00:47:22,150 --> 00:47:20,079
uh he only has four fingers

1343
00:47:25,750 --> 00:47:22,160
and so if you show him five fingers it

1344
00:47:27,430 --> 00:47:25,760
pisses him off and then he'll you know

1345
00:47:29,270 --> 00:47:27,440
basically that's like you don't want to

1346
00:47:30,630 --> 00:47:29,280
do that to a duende or any of these

1347
00:47:31,670 --> 00:47:30,640
little people is show them how many

1348
00:47:33,829 --> 00:47:31,680
fingers you have because they're very

1349
00:47:34,950 --> 00:47:33,839
jealous about fingers apparently

1350
00:47:43,510 --> 00:47:34,960
interesting

1351
00:47:45,829 --> 00:47:43,520
from ann celine

1352
00:47:47,990 --> 00:47:45,839
if someone said

1353
00:47:50,069 --> 00:47:48,000
you could choose one cryptid and i can

1354
00:47:52,150 --> 00:47:50,079
take you to it you can observe it and

1355
00:47:55,829 --> 00:47:52,160
learn all there is to know about it

1356
00:47:57,750 --> 00:47:55,839
which would you choose oh my gosh yeah i

1357
00:48:00,069 --> 00:47:57,760
know that's that's a real tough one

1358
00:48:03,829 --> 00:48:00,079
that's a good question well hi lady anne

1359
00:48:06,470 --> 00:48:03,839
i i appreciate the question uh

1360
00:48:08,870 --> 00:48:06,480
um she's a good friend of mine by the

1361
00:48:10,790 --> 00:48:08,880
way um but that's a great question um

1362
00:48:11,589 --> 00:48:10,800
let's see

1363
00:48:13,589 --> 00:48:11,599
uh

1364
00:48:15,349 --> 00:48:13,599
you know what i people have often asked

1365
00:48:16,870 --> 00:48:15,359
me like what's my favorite cryptid which

1366
00:48:19,030 --> 00:48:16,880
is always hard for me to answer because

1367
00:48:21,190 --> 00:48:19,040
i love them all so much but i'll say the

1368
00:48:23,349 --> 00:48:21,200
a thunder a traditional native american

1369
00:48:24,950 --> 00:48:23,359
thunderbird if someone could take me to

1370
00:48:26,710 --> 00:48:24,960
the top of a peak

1371
00:48:29,349 --> 00:48:26,720
and you know in my mind i've got kind of

1372
00:48:31,109 --> 00:48:29,359
this indiana jones scenario where i've

1373
00:48:33,109 --> 00:48:31,119
got this like you know native american

1374
00:48:34,870 --> 00:48:33,119
guy that knows you know he's a brave

1375
00:48:37,109 --> 00:48:34,880
warrior that knows that where the nest

1376
00:48:39,190 --> 00:48:37,119
is and we climb up to the top of this

1377
00:48:40,630 --> 00:48:39,200
peak and we look across and we see this

1378
00:48:43,510 --> 00:48:40,640
magnificent

1379
00:48:45,030 --> 00:48:43,520
bird with a you know 20-foot wingspan

1380
00:48:46,829 --> 00:48:45,040
majestically

1381
00:48:49,430 --> 00:48:46,839
guarding the nest and

1382
00:48:51,430 --> 00:48:49,440
um huge raptor like beak that would be

1383
00:48:53,109 --> 00:48:51,440
pretty cool i would want to observe one

1384
00:48:55,190 --> 00:48:53,119
of those in the wild

1385
00:48:57,109 --> 00:48:55,200
and um

1386
00:48:59,510 --> 00:48:57,119
i mean really any of them but that's uh

1387
00:49:02,230 --> 00:48:59,520
i guess i'll choose that one because i i

1388
00:49:03,510 --> 00:49:02,240
i've always been fascinated with the

1389
00:49:05,349 --> 00:49:03,520
thunderbird

1390
00:49:07,430 --> 00:49:05,359
uh accounts i've interviewed so many

1391
00:49:08,870 --> 00:49:07,440
eyewitnesses i've never seen one but so

1392
00:49:10,069 --> 00:49:08,880
many people that i've talked to that

1393
00:49:12,069 --> 00:49:10,079
have

1394
00:49:14,069 --> 00:49:12,079
sworn they've seen him and it just it

1395
00:49:16,069 --> 00:49:14,079
just must be you know breathtaking awe

1396
00:49:17,990 --> 00:49:16,079
inspiring to see one of these things the

1397
00:49:19,589 --> 00:49:18,000
winged beings are really fascinating

1398
00:49:21,589 --> 00:49:19,599
yeah i'm like you i mean the whole

1399
00:49:24,230 --> 00:49:21,599
facets of it um

1400
00:49:26,710 --> 00:49:24,240
territon pterodons um

1401
00:49:28,870 --> 00:49:26,720
thunderbirds humanoids

1402
00:49:31,030 --> 00:49:28,880
yeah absolutely yeah so many different

1403
00:49:33,510 --> 00:49:31,040
types the the manta things that you've

1404
00:49:35,750 --> 00:49:33,520
documented yeah

1405
00:49:38,309 --> 00:49:35,760
i mean i've had some really i don't know

1406
00:49:40,390 --> 00:49:38,319
i had a lady about a year ago that's

1407
00:49:41,510 --> 00:49:40,400
claimed that she saw a winged black

1408
00:49:43,510 --> 00:49:41,520
panther

1409
00:49:45,190 --> 00:49:43,520
so that was almost like a combination of

1410
00:49:47,589 --> 00:49:45,200
two cryptids you know we know the black

1411
00:49:49,270 --> 00:49:47,599
panther cryptids are pretty but she said

1412
00:49:52,790 --> 00:49:49,280
no this was definitely a black panther

1413
00:49:54,390 --> 00:49:52,800
but it had wings too so

1414
00:49:56,950 --> 00:49:54,400
you get those kind of like

1415
00:49:58,870 --> 00:49:56,960
you know oddball kind of accounts that

1416
00:50:01,270 --> 00:49:58,880
are that are pretty yeah we get them

1417
00:50:02,309 --> 00:50:01,280
once in a while we do

1418
00:50:04,630 --> 00:50:02,319
uh

1419
00:50:07,670 --> 00:50:04,640
yeah nancy malcolm asked what is the

1420
00:50:10,549 --> 00:50:07,680
newest and or oldest cryptid being

1421
00:50:12,870 --> 00:50:10,559
reported now

1422
00:50:14,230 --> 00:50:12,880
oh um are we talking about oldest in

1423
00:50:17,109 --> 00:50:14,240
terms of like the legend in the

1424
00:50:20,069 --> 00:50:17,119
mythology yeah i guess we could

1425
00:50:23,670 --> 00:50:21,910
well um

1426
00:50:25,430 --> 00:50:23,680
that goes back a long way using the

1427
00:50:28,630 --> 00:50:25,440
broad term cryptid we already talked

1428
00:50:29,670 --> 00:50:28,640
about you know the the ancient assyrians

1429
00:50:31,510 --> 00:50:29,680
and

1430
00:50:33,829 --> 00:50:31,520
probably that the apollo probably the

1431
00:50:36,710 --> 00:50:33,839
ancient sumerians and op kalu

1432
00:50:39,270 --> 00:50:36,720
i mean that's like 3 000 years ago

1433
00:50:41,829 --> 00:50:39,280
um you know with bigfoot we often talk

1434
00:50:44,069 --> 00:50:41,839
about the epic of gilgamesh which is a

1435
00:50:45,829 --> 00:50:44,079
babylonian story so that would probably

1436
00:50:48,470 --> 00:50:45,839
be a couple thousand years ago so we do

1437
00:50:51,190 --> 00:50:48,480
have kind of bigfoot type creatures

1438
00:50:53,750 --> 00:50:51,200
uh if if you want to include endicoo

1439
00:50:55,270 --> 00:50:53,760
which is the hairy man-like creature in

1440
00:50:57,670 --> 00:50:55,280
the epic of gilgamesh that would be a

1441
00:50:59,349 --> 00:50:57,680
two to three thousand years ago oh no i

1442
00:51:02,790 --> 00:50:59,359
got one uh you know what about the the

1443
00:51:05,030 --> 00:51:02,800
archetype of the giant water serpent

1444
00:51:08,230 --> 00:51:05,040
i mean you can go back absolutely it's

1445
00:51:11,109 --> 00:51:08,240
in the bible with leviathan it's in uh

1446
00:51:13,030 --> 00:51:11,119
scandinavian viking mythology uh the

1447
00:51:14,790 --> 00:51:13,040
your

1448
00:51:19,190 --> 00:51:14,800
ah it's gonna bug me i'll have to think

1449
00:51:20,790 --> 00:51:19,200
about this but uh yeah um

1450
00:51:22,390 --> 00:51:20,800
they're like dragons you know they're

1451
00:51:25,510 --> 00:51:22,400
water dragons but they're always like

1452
00:51:26,390 --> 00:51:25,520
serpentine and just massive and you find

1453
00:51:31,030 --> 00:51:26,400
those

1454
00:51:33,190 --> 00:51:31,040
hundreds and thousands of years and

1455
00:51:34,790 --> 00:51:33,200
several cultures or two so we have

1456
00:51:36,630 --> 00:51:34,800
different you know interesting we have

1457
00:51:40,150 --> 00:51:36,640
like the three major archetypes are the

1458
00:51:42,390 --> 00:51:40,160
wing you know creatures from the air

1459
00:51:44,309 --> 00:51:42,400
the aquatic creatures from the water and

1460
00:51:45,190 --> 00:51:44,319
then the terrestrial creatures are often

1461
00:51:48,790 --> 00:51:45,200
like

1462
00:52:06,549 --> 00:51:48,800
a

1463
00:52:08,470 --> 00:52:06,559
the newest

1464
00:52:09,670 --> 00:52:08,480
cryptid

1465
00:52:11,670 --> 00:52:09,680
uh

1466
00:52:14,390 --> 00:52:11,680
i oh

1467
00:52:16,549 --> 00:52:14,400
he showed me a picture of like a weird

1468
00:52:18,390 --> 00:52:16,559
i guess that was uh it was that endicoo

1469
00:52:20,630 --> 00:52:18,400
okay i think that wasn't the coup okay

1470
00:52:22,630 --> 00:52:20,640
so i was like what is this like bearded

1471
00:52:24,549 --> 00:52:22,640
guy with uh

1472
00:52:26,150 --> 00:52:24,559
yeah that's i think that's what it is

1473
00:52:27,829 --> 00:52:26,160
he put it up right as you said what is

1474
00:52:29,990 --> 00:52:27,839
the newest and i thought oh is that like

1475
00:52:30,870 --> 00:52:30,000
a you know the newest is like the name

1476
00:52:33,910 --> 00:52:30,880
of the

1477
00:52:36,309 --> 00:52:33,920
weird scriptures okay um

1478
00:52:38,309 --> 00:52:36,319
sorry it's been a long day oh i get it

1479
00:52:40,630 --> 00:52:38,319
uh the newest cryptid is obviously

1480
00:52:42,790 --> 00:52:40,640
dogman because uh i think as you said

1481
00:52:45,109 --> 00:52:42,800
earlier i mean we didn't really until

1482
00:52:46,870 --> 00:52:45,119
like the 80s and 90s when linda godfrey

1483
00:52:48,390 --> 00:52:46,880
started documenting the beast of a road

1484
00:52:50,069 --> 00:52:48,400
and then it was even after that we

1485
00:52:51,829 --> 00:52:50,079
started hearing about oh no the michigan

1486
00:52:53,030 --> 00:52:51,839
dog man has been around forever well you

1487
00:52:54,870 --> 00:52:53,040
know no one had ever really heard of the

1488
00:52:57,109 --> 00:52:54,880
michigan dog man until

1489
00:52:58,870 --> 00:52:57,119
easter bre road and

1490
00:53:01,349 --> 00:52:58,880
so i think that's a pretty new cryptid

1491
00:53:03,030 --> 00:53:01,359
on the scene and you know if you

1492
00:53:05,510 --> 00:53:03,040
i don't know i don't really put a lot of

1493
00:53:07,430 --> 00:53:05,520
stock in these cryptid uh creepypasta

1494
00:53:09,349 --> 00:53:07,440
things like slenderman

1495
00:53:11,589 --> 00:53:09,359
well i just wrote a book about that so i

1496
00:53:13,430 --> 00:53:11,599
don't like kids is that

1497
00:53:15,270 --> 00:53:13,440
i mean

1498
00:53:17,750 --> 00:53:15,280
it's hard to to describe them as

1499
00:53:20,150 --> 00:53:17,760
cryptids i mean you know i i look at

1500
00:53:22,230 --> 00:53:20,160
this i call them the meme humanoids or

1501
00:53:23,990 --> 00:53:22,240
you know the the pale crawlers or

1502
00:53:26,790 --> 00:53:24,000
whatever you want to call them i don't

1503
00:53:28,549 --> 00:53:26,800
really look at them as cryptids though

1504
00:53:29,349 --> 00:53:28,559
no no really don't know what they are

1505
00:53:30,950 --> 00:53:29,359
but

1506
00:53:33,190 --> 00:53:30,960
you know we don't even know if they're

1507
00:53:34,309 --> 00:53:33,200
just somebody's imagination or something

1508
00:53:36,309 --> 00:53:34,319
that's being

1509
00:53:37,750 --> 00:53:36,319
thought-formed or a tulpa or whatever

1510
00:53:39,109 --> 00:53:37,760
you want to call it

1511
00:53:40,150 --> 00:53:39,119
yes um

1512
00:53:41,910 --> 00:53:40,160
interesting

1513
00:53:44,790 --> 00:53:41,920
yeah and you know you can't have any i

1514
00:53:47,589 --> 00:53:44,800
mean you know i i often express that i

1515
00:53:50,390 --> 00:53:47,599
am that traditional old-school honor

1516
00:53:52,870 --> 00:53:50,400
bernard hooverman's you know roy mackel

1517
00:53:55,670 --> 00:53:52,880
cryptozoologist but

1518
00:53:57,589 --> 00:53:55,680
i can't control and no one can control

1519
00:53:59,349 --> 00:53:57,599
you know what culture what cultures want

1520
00:54:01,190 --> 00:53:59,359
to and society wants to view as a

1521
00:54:03,510 --> 00:54:01,200
cryptid or what different people there's

1522
00:54:05,349 --> 00:54:03,520
no hard fast rules it's not like

1523
00:54:07,990 --> 00:54:05,359
traditional science where you know you

1524
00:54:09,589 --> 00:54:08,000
have to so people can call whatever they

1525
00:54:11,109 --> 00:54:09,599
want encrypted i'm not going to stop

1526
00:54:12,950 --> 00:54:11,119
them from doing that

1527
00:54:14,630 --> 00:54:12,960
you know i just always want to point out

1528
00:54:16,230 --> 00:54:14,640
that there's two ways to look at any

1529
00:54:18,230 --> 00:54:16,240
mysterious creature

1530
00:54:21,109 --> 00:54:18,240
one is that is there any way that it

1531
00:54:22,950 --> 00:54:21,119
could have conceivably evolved

1532
00:54:25,190 --> 00:54:22,960
on our planet does it fit into the

1533
00:54:26,950 --> 00:54:25,200
scheme into the paradigm of the fossil

1534
00:54:28,230 --> 00:54:26,960
record and all the species that we've

1535
00:54:29,190 --> 00:54:28,240
known about

1536
00:54:31,109 --> 00:54:29,200
you know

1537
00:54:32,790 --> 00:54:31,119
does it make biological and zoological

1538
00:54:34,790 --> 00:54:32,800
sense bigfoot does

1539
00:54:37,030 --> 00:54:34,800
thunderbirds do

1540
00:54:38,789 --> 00:54:37,040
mystery cats do

1541
00:54:40,230 --> 00:54:38,799
loch ness monster does so there's a lot

1542
00:54:41,990 --> 00:54:40,240
of cryptids that do that you could say

1543
00:54:43,990 --> 00:54:42,000
this could be a prehistoric survival or

1544
00:54:47,109 --> 00:54:44,000
something that we just overlooked right

1545
00:54:48,470 --> 00:54:47,119
but other cryptids like mothman dogman

1546
00:54:50,069 --> 00:54:48,480
goatman

1547
00:54:52,950 --> 00:54:50,079
mermaids

1548
00:54:54,789 --> 00:54:52,960
uh black-eyed kids they just

1549
00:54:56,710 --> 00:54:54,799
they don't fit into

1550
00:54:59,030 --> 00:54:56,720
the scheme of zoology so yes they're

1551
00:55:01,829 --> 00:54:59,040
fascinating i love talking about them

1552
00:55:03,589 --> 00:55:01,839
they're mysterious they're scary

1553
00:55:06,069 --> 00:55:03,599
they're weird there's legends that back

1554
00:55:06,950 --> 00:55:06,079
them up and eyewitnesses that have seen

1555
00:55:09,829 --> 00:55:06,960
them

1556
00:55:11,589 --> 00:55:09,839
um so people can call those cryptids i

1557
00:55:13,190 --> 00:55:11,599
you know i don't necessarily always do

1558
00:55:14,309 --> 00:55:13,200
that sometimes on a show like this i'll

1559
00:55:16,470 --> 00:55:14,319
be a little bit more open to my

1560
00:55:17,349 --> 00:55:16,480
interpretation because this is this is

1561
00:55:18,950 --> 00:55:17,359
fun

1562
00:55:20,789 --> 00:55:18,960
and we're having like good good

1563
00:55:23,270 --> 00:55:20,799
conversation here about what people

1564
00:55:25,190 --> 00:55:23,280
think so

1565
00:55:28,470 --> 00:55:25,200
here's an interesting question but from

1566
00:55:32,470 --> 00:55:28,480
summer nights uh dog man eats roadkill

1567
00:55:34,549 --> 00:55:32,480
so does that make it a normal animal

1568
00:55:36,789 --> 00:55:34,559
it's a good question that's i like that

1569
00:55:37,670 --> 00:55:36,799
i like the critical thinking there is is

1570
00:55:40,470 --> 00:55:37,680
good

1571
00:55:42,870 --> 00:55:40,480
um okay so yeah so it has a biological

1572
00:55:43,829 --> 00:55:42,880
need to consume energy which all animals

1573
00:55:45,990 --> 00:55:43,839
do

1574
00:55:48,230 --> 00:55:46,000
all animals on the planet

1575
00:55:50,710 --> 00:55:48,240
whether you're talking about a coral or

1576
00:55:52,549 --> 00:55:50,720
a bat or a whale or whatever

1577
00:55:55,270 --> 00:55:52,559
there's two things that

1578
00:55:56,230 --> 00:55:55,280
cause an organism to be classified as an

1579
00:55:58,230 --> 00:55:56,240
animal

1580
00:56:00,710 --> 00:55:58,240
one is that it's modal which means that

1581
00:56:02,470 --> 00:56:00,720
it can be spontaneously move around

1582
00:56:04,470 --> 00:56:02,480
even if it's not a lot of movement but

1583
00:56:06,549 --> 00:56:04,480
at some point it's going to move freely

1584
00:56:08,390 --> 00:56:06,559
to wherever it wants to be and two that

1585
00:56:11,829 --> 00:56:08,400
it's heterotrophic meaning that it

1586
00:56:14,710 --> 00:56:11,839
consumes other animals or their

1587
00:56:17,109 --> 00:56:14,720
waste products or plants or for energy

1588
00:56:18,309 --> 00:56:17,119
so yes so dog man has been seen eating

1589
00:56:20,710 --> 00:56:18,319
roadkill

1590
00:56:22,390 --> 00:56:20,720
uh probably the most famous one of the

1591
00:56:25,109 --> 00:56:22,400
most famous easter gray road sightings

1592
00:56:26,950 --> 00:56:25,119
by a woman named laura andrizy

1593
00:56:29,030 --> 00:56:26,960
uh that saw this thing feasting on

1594
00:56:31,190 --> 00:56:29,040
roadkill so that certainly is intriguing

1595
00:56:32,870 --> 00:56:31,200
and i guess you could score one that one

1596
00:56:34,870 --> 00:56:32,880
in the box of people that want to say

1597
00:56:36,870 --> 00:56:34,880
okay no dogman is a flesh and blood

1598
00:56:38,390 --> 00:56:36,880
animal it's something unknown you could

1599
00:56:38,800 --> 00:56:38,400
check that box

1600
00:56:41,109 --> 00:56:38,810
um

1601
00:56:43,670 --> 00:56:41,119
[Music]

1602
00:56:45,190 --> 00:56:43,680
well i will say this those accounts

1603
00:56:45,910 --> 00:56:45,200
aren't real common i'll just add that go

1604
00:56:48,950 --> 00:56:45,920
ahead

1605
00:56:51,430 --> 00:56:48,960
most of the settings of bigfoot

1606
00:56:53,430 --> 00:56:51,440
that we have here now i'm talking about

1607
00:56:54,710 --> 00:56:53,440
in this area

1608
00:56:58,870 --> 00:56:54,720
are

1609
00:57:00,390 --> 00:56:58,880
seen on the road collecting roadkill

1610
00:57:02,950 --> 00:57:00,400
up around uh

1611
00:57:05,750 --> 00:57:02,960
misha state forest in pennsylvania just

1612
00:57:08,069 --> 00:57:05,760
west of gettysburg gotcha i get a lot of

1613
00:57:09,109 --> 00:57:08,079
reports of people who have seen bigfoot

1614
00:57:11,109 --> 00:57:09,119
collecting

1615
00:57:12,390 --> 00:57:11,119
dead deer and stuff on that have been

1616
00:57:14,390 --> 00:57:12,400
hit

1617
00:57:16,549 --> 00:57:14,400
uh

1618
00:57:17,990 --> 00:57:16,559
and we've also had

1619
00:57:20,150 --> 00:57:18,000
uh

1620
00:57:22,470 --> 00:57:20,160
kanan cryptic kanan seen

1621
00:57:25,670 --> 00:57:22,480
feasting on roadkill along the side of

1622
00:57:28,710 --> 00:57:25,680
the road during the day as well

1623
00:57:30,789 --> 00:57:28,720
so uh yeah i mean all right well that's

1624
00:57:32,230 --> 00:57:30,799
a great yeah that's fascinating i i

1625
00:57:33,589 --> 00:57:32,240
appreciate i always like to hear about

1626
00:57:35,109 --> 00:57:33,599
those kind of different regional

1627
00:57:37,190 --> 00:57:35,119
patterns and things because that's real

1628
00:57:39,030 --> 00:57:37,200
important as an investigator but this

1629
00:57:40,789 --> 00:57:39,040
this is a kind of a cool segway lawn to

1630
00:57:43,430 --> 00:57:40,799
say well you know they're the people

1631
00:57:45,910 --> 00:57:43,440
that talk about could some of the dog

1632
00:57:46,789 --> 00:57:45,920
man sightings actually be

1633
00:57:48,710 --> 00:57:46,799
mis

1634
00:57:50,630 --> 00:57:48,720
representations of bigfoots or

1635
00:57:52,549 --> 00:57:50,640
sasquatches that are seen

1636
00:57:54,549 --> 00:57:52,559
you know and what are the variables here

1637
00:57:55,750 --> 00:57:54,559
okay people the main one is that people

1638
00:57:58,789 --> 00:57:55,760
when they see them they're get they

1639
00:58:00,390 --> 00:57:58,799
freak out and their emotion goes to 100

1640
00:58:02,230 --> 00:58:00,400
because you're not expecting to see

1641
00:58:04,470 --> 00:58:02,240
something that shouldn't exist or that

1642
00:58:06,710 --> 00:58:04,480
doesn't exist and it just literally

1643
00:58:09,750 --> 00:58:06,720
throws you into a state of so it's

1644
00:58:12,309 --> 00:58:09,760
really going to affect how you

1645
00:58:14,549 --> 00:58:12,319
remember and respond and perceive

1646
00:58:16,470 --> 00:58:14,559
usually these sightings are at night

1647
00:58:18,069 --> 00:58:16,480
and they're often very quick you know

1648
00:58:20,789 --> 00:58:18,079
someone's in a car and it's just like a

1649
00:58:23,190 --> 00:58:20,799
few seconds or a brief glance so

1650
00:58:25,270 --> 00:58:23,200
so so yeah so bigfoots and sasquatches

1651
00:58:26,950 --> 00:58:25,280
eat a lot of roadkill and we only have

1652
00:58:29,670 --> 00:58:26,960
like a handful of dog man accounts of

1653
00:58:31,829 --> 00:58:29,680
them eating roadkill then we could you

1654
00:58:33,910 --> 00:58:31,839
know speculate that maybe those dogman

1655
00:58:35,910 --> 00:58:33,920
accounts are just you know people may oh

1656
00:58:39,190 --> 00:58:35,920
no it had a dog like head well maybe you

1657
00:58:40,549 --> 00:58:39,200
know the lighting or shadows or

1658
00:58:43,109 --> 00:58:40,559
you know it's just the way they

1659
00:58:45,270 --> 00:58:43,119
interpreted it it was dog-like but it

1660
00:58:47,109 --> 00:58:45,280
was you know hairy and man-like too

1661
00:58:49,030 --> 00:58:47,119
which kind of fits in the bigfoot

1662
00:58:50,789 --> 00:58:49,040
sasquatch well that's something that we

1663
00:58:53,670 --> 00:58:50,799
have looked into here as best as

1664
00:58:57,109 --> 00:58:53,680
possible you know we talked to witnesses

1665
00:58:58,789 --> 00:58:57,119
are they confusing them with a bigfoot

1666
00:59:00,710 --> 00:58:58,799
you know it could happen we don't know

1667
00:59:04,309 --> 00:59:00,720
i'm not completely trying to completely

1668
00:59:06,870 --> 00:59:04,319
debunk the no i understand but some of

1669
00:59:07,589 --> 00:59:06,880
them could be bigfoots and uh people

1670
00:59:09,190 --> 00:59:07,599
just

1671
00:59:11,270 --> 00:59:09,200
you know especially if they're not

1672
00:59:13,030 --> 00:59:11,280
really it's just you know we're all

1673
00:59:15,589 --> 00:59:13,040
different right everyone has different

1674
00:59:17,109 --> 00:59:15,599
biases and influences and some people

1675
00:59:18,870 --> 00:59:17,119
will look at it's like when they do

1676
00:59:20,950 --> 00:59:18,880
those inkblot tests at this you know

1677
00:59:22,950 --> 00:59:20,960
it's like oh just something like this

1678
00:59:25,270 --> 00:59:22,960
yeah a balloon and some people see an

1679
00:59:27,430 --> 00:59:25,280
elephant and we'll see uh

1680
00:59:30,069 --> 00:59:27,440
you know whatever so

1681
00:59:32,069 --> 00:59:30,079
everybody has a different perspective

1682
00:59:33,670 --> 00:59:32,079
on anything i you know i if i haven't

1683
00:59:35,430 --> 00:59:33,680
learned one thing that's one thing i

1684
00:59:38,150 --> 00:59:35,440
have learned all these years

1685
00:59:39,510 --> 00:59:38,160
everybody looks at something differently

1686
00:59:42,150 --> 00:59:39,520
any you know

1687
00:59:44,549 --> 00:59:42,160
absolutely and i love that because it to

1688
00:59:46,150 --> 00:59:44,559
me that makes life much more interesting

1689
00:59:47,910 --> 00:59:46,160
i'm glad that we don't all agree on

1690
00:59:50,230 --> 00:59:47,920
everything all right

1691
00:59:53,030 --> 00:59:50,240
uh scarborough sasquatch station asked

1692
00:59:56,870 --> 00:59:53,040
uh duendes are they always seen with

1693
00:59:59,270 --> 00:59:56,880
those large hats no yeah um not always

1694
01:00:00,390 --> 00:59:59,280
but that is a a common trope

1695
01:00:02,230 --> 01:00:00,400
we were talking about a moment ago is

1696
01:00:04,950 --> 01:00:02,240
that they have these big sombreros

1697
01:00:08,150 --> 01:00:04,960
sometimes they carry little machetes

1698
01:00:10,710 --> 01:00:08,160
sometimes he's got a long beard uh the

1699
01:00:12,870 --> 01:00:10,720
the technical full name is tata dwendy

1700
01:00:14,630 --> 01:00:12,880
which means grandfather little

1701
01:00:15,910 --> 01:00:14,640
grandfather or

1702
01:00:18,230 --> 01:00:15,920
maybe another word only but they you

1703
01:00:19,589 --> 01:00:18,240
know they look like little

1704
01:00:20,710 --> 01:00:19,599
bearded men you know and there's

1705
01:00:22,069 --> 01:00:20,720
probably just like you were talking

1706
01:00:23,829 --> 01:00:22,079
about earlier about how the werewolf a

1707
01:00:25,750 --> 01:00:23,839
lot of the werewolf legends migrated

1708
01:00:27,670 --> 01:00:25,760
over to your region from

1709
01:00:30,630 --> 01:00:27,680
you know the dutch settlers and other

1710
01:00:34,069 --> 01:00:30,640
european settlers well belize has a

1711
01:00:36,069 --> 01:00:34,079
mixture of the ancient old maya

1712
01:00:37,750 --> 01:00:36,079
culture but there was also a lot of

1713
01:00:40,549 --> 01:00:37,760
european influence that came over from

1714
01:00:41,589 --> 01:00:40,559
both england and spain so some of those

1715
01:00:46,230 --> 01:00:41,599
fairy

1716
01:00:48,390 --> 01:00:46,240
legends may have migrated over and of

1717
01:00:50,549 --> 01:00:48,400
course duende is also in spain if you go

1718
01:00:52,789 --> 01:00:50,559
to spain you'll hear about duendes and

1719
01:00:53,910 --> 01:00:52,799
in the philippines which is a you know

1720
01:00:56,309 --> 01:00:53,920
on the other side of the world but

1721
01:00:57,910 --> 01:00:56,319
there's a span strong spanish cultural

1722
01:00:58,789 --> 01:00:57,920
influence in the philippines because of

1723
01:01:00,470 --> 01:00:58,799
those

1724
01:01:02,150 --> 01:01:00,480
so you the colonization there so you

1725
01:01:04,150 --> 01:01:02,160
hear about wendy's in the philippines as

1726
01:01:06,789 --> 01:01:04,160
well but no they don't always wear the

1727
01:01:07,910 --> 01:01:06,799
hats but that has been been reported

1728
01:01:10,549 --> 01:01:07,920
interesting

1729
01:01:12,069 --> 01:01:10,559
uh james was there asking he's asked me

1730
01:01:13,510 --> 01:01:12,079
this and i haven't really have given him

1731
01:01:16,230 --> 01:01:13,520
a great answer

1732
01:01:19,030 --> 01:01:16,240
have you ever heard of ways to keep dog

1733
01:01:20,950 --> 01:01:19,040
man away from your property

1734
01:01:22,230 --> 01:01:20,960
huh

1735
01:01:23,910 --> 01:01:22,240
let me think about this for a minute

1736
01:01:24,950 --> 01:01:23,920
because i have spoken to well you know i

1737
01:01:26,549 --> 01:01:24,960
don't know

1738
01:01:29,109 --> 01:01:26,559
first of all how do we test that you

1739
01:01:30,630 --> 01:01:29,119
know how do we test this um you know if

1740
01:01:32,150 --> 01:01:30,640
it's an experiment how do we know it's

1741
01:01:33,030 --> 01:01:32,160
keeping them away from your property

1742
01:01:34,549 --> 01:01:33,040
right

1743
01:01:37,030 --> 01:01:34,559
um

1744
01:01:39,750 --> 01:01:37,040
i don't hear about a lot of cases of

1745
01:01:41,349 --> 01:01:39,760
like habituation like with bigfoot where

1746
01:01:43,109 --> 01:01:41,359
people claim that dogmans are coming out

1747
01:01:45,270 --> 01:01:43,119
of their property all the time

1748
01:01:46,470 --> 01:01:45,280
i did investigate a case

1749
01:01:49,510 --> 01:01:46,480
um

1750
01:01:51,349 --> 01:01:49,520
inviter texas years ago where there was

1751
01:01:53,589 --> 01:01:51,359
a a young couple that claimed that there

1752
01:01:55,109 --> 01:01:53,599
was a dog man type creature they called

1753
01:01:56,150 --> 01:01:55,119
it a werewolf but this was back in the

1754
01:01:58,950 --> 01:01:56,160
70s

1755
01:02:00,950 --> 01:01:58,960
basically was coming on their property

1756
01:02:03,430 --> 01:02:00,960
uh banging on

1757
01:02:04,950 --> 01:02:03,440
ripping the screens on their windows

1758
01:02:06,470 --> 01:02:04,960
banging on the walls and it killed a

1759
01:02:08,150 --> 01:02:06,480
bunch of their dogs

1760
01:02:09,990 --> 01:02:08,160
and how they dealt with it ultimately

1761
01:02:11,910 --> 01:02:10,000
was they went outside with a shotgun and

1762
01:02:13,990 --> 01:02:11,920
shot it with a shotgun

1763
01:02:15,190 --> 01:02:14,000
and uh but you know

1764
01:02:16,950 --> 01:02:15,200
they did move out of there pretty

1765
01:02:17,990 --> 01:02:16,960
quickly from what i remember after that

1766
01:02:19,589 --> 01:02:18,000
but

1767
01:02:21,349 --> 01:02:19,599
that would be one way that's how i would

1768
01:02:24,150 --> 01:02:21,359
deal with it i've got a 12 gauge sitting

1769
01:02:28,390 --> 01:02:24,160
over here against the wall and uh

1770
01:02:30,309 --> 01:02:28,400
uh that's how i i guess that sounds

1771
01:02:32,549 --> 01:02:30,319
maybe i sound a little psychotic saying

1772
01:02:34,390 --> 01:02:32,559
that but i am texan so i say yeah if

1773
01:02:36,630 --> 01:02:34,400
there's a dog man comes on my property

1774
01:02:38,870 --> 01:02:36,640
i'm going to get the 12 gauge out and

1775
01:02:40,390 --> 01:02:38,880
i think that'll deter it from ever

1776
01:02:42,069 --> 01:02:40,400
coming back or

1777
01:02:43,670 --> 01:02:42,079
maybe not but

1778
01:02:45,430 --> 01:02:43,680
you could also have a can of bear spray

1779
01:02:47,109 --> 01:02:45,440
if you didn't want to be lethal with it

1780
01:02:49,750 --> 01:02:47,119
that would probably be the best bet at

1781
01:02:50,470 --> 01:02:49,760
all hairspray and you know if it'll stop

1782
01:02:52,069 --> 01:02:50,480
uh

1783
01:02:54,309 --> 01:02:52,079
a thousand pound grizzly it would

1784
01:02:56,150 --> 01:02:54,319
probably stop an 800 pound dog man i

1785
01:02:57,270 --> 01:02:56,160
would guess

1786
01:03:00,230 --> 01:02:57,280
yeah

1787
01:03:01,029 --> 01:03:00,240
uh also scarborough i asked ken have you

1788
01:03:03,910 --> 01:03:01,039
been

1789
01:03:05,510 --> 01:03:03,920
or experienced any infrasound and was it

1790
01:03:07,190 --> 01:03:05,520
low level or high level now i know

1791
01:03:09,990 --> 01:03:07,200
you've been around a lot of

1792
01:03:12,150 --> 01:03:10,000
zoo animals uh a lot of big cats have

1793
01:03:14,549 --> 01:03:12,160
you ever experienced any of that i don't

1794
01:03:16,309 --> 01:03:14,559
think i've ever encountered any uh you

1795
01:03:18,309 --> 01:03:16,319
know infrasound from any animals i can

1796
01:03:20,710 --> 01:03:18,319
think of um i s you know i work at the

1797
01:03:21,910 --> 01:03:20,720
san antonio zoo as a volunteer educator

1798
01:03:24,309 --> 01:03:21,920
and i spend a lot of time at the

1799
01:03:26,630 --> 01:03:24,319
elephant exhibit we've got two awesome

1800
01:03:27,430 --> 01:03:26,640
asian elephants there and sometimes i

1801
01:03:30,630 --> 01:03:27,440
can

1802
01:03:32,470 --> 01:03:30,640
these low

1803
01:03:33,990 --> 01:03:32,480
rumbly sounds you know that they're kind

1804
01:03:35,589 --> 01:03:34,000
of like under their breath but it's kind

1805
01:03:37,430 --> 01:03:35,599
of hard to tell but it's never really

1806
01:03:38,230 --> 01:03:37,440
affected me like i never felt like oh

1807
01:03:40,069 --> 01:03:38,240
right

1808
01:03:41,750 --> 01:03:40,079
it's just like wow that is a really low

1809
01:03:43,349 --> 01:03:41,760
frequency it's almost like

1810
01:03:44,710 --> 01:03:43,359
i'm feeling it more than i'm hearing it

1811
01:03:46,069 --> 01:03:44,720
and i think i've also gotten that from

1812
01:03:47,510 --> 01:03:46,079
the draft at the zoo on occasion but

1813
01:03:48,789 --> 01:03:47,520
nothing that's ever really affected me

1814
01:03:50,630 --> 01:03:48,799
in that way

1815
01:03:53,349 --> 01:03:50,640
um

1816
01:03:55,510 --> 01:03:53,359
uh now i will say that

1817
01:03:58,950 --> 01:03:55,520
uh you know we did an episode of missing

1818
01:04:01,270 --> 01:03:58,960
in alaska uh on the harp facility up in

1819
01:04:02,549 --> 01:04:01,280
alaska which is like this experience i

1820
01:04:03,750 --> 01:04:02,559
don't want to get the whole explanation

1821
01:04:05,829 --> 01:04:03,760
but it was like a thing that they were

1822
01:04:07,910 --> 01:04:05,839
using really ultrasound not infrasound

1823
01:04:10,390 --> 01:04:07,920
which is low frequencies ultrasound are

1824
01:04:11,670 --> 01:04:10,400
frequencies above our range of hearing

1825
01:04:13,510 --> 01:04:11,680
sorry i kind of knocked my light there i

1826
01:04:15,190 --> 01:04:13,520
got too excited um

1827
01:04:16,789 --> 01:04:15,200
and you know there they i have to be

1828
01:04:18,230 --> 01:04:16,799
honest here the producers were kind of

1829
01:04:19,670 --> 01:04:18,240
messing with my head a lot on that

1830
01:04:20,950 --> 01:04:19,680
episode so like the first thing that

1831
01:04:22,950 --> 01:04:20,960
happened was

1832
01:04:25,910 --> 01:04:22,960
there was got this guy named dr nick

1833
01:04:27,270 --> 01:04:25,920
begich who has been investigating

1834
01:04:29,270 --> 01:04:27,280
writing about heart for years and he did

1835
01:04:31,829 --> 01:04:29,280
this experiment where he put electricity

1836
01:04:33,750 --> 01:04:31,839
and sound waves through my body

1837
01:04:35,029 --> 01:04:33,760
like by touching my hand and then i

1838
01:04:36,950 --> 01:04:35,039
could hear it in my head even though it

1839
01:04:38,870 --> 01:04:36,960
wasn't coming through my ears

1840
01:04:40,390 --> 01:04:38,880
that really just like just experiencing

1841
01:04:42,549 --> 01:04:40,400
that like just threw me completely in

1842
01:04:44,069 --> 01:04:42,559
this weird state of mind because it was

1843
01:04:45,670 --> 01:04:44,079
like so different from anything i'd ever

1844
01:04:47,109 --> 01:04:45,680
experienced before and he was kind of

1845
01:04:48,630 --> 01:04:47,119
using that to kind of

1846
01:04:50,549 --> 01:04:48,640
demonstrate or illustrate how something

1847
01:04:52,710 --> 01:04:50,559
like heart could work which is the

1848
01:04:54,630 --> 01:04:52,720
concept is that sound waves can alter

1849
01:04:57,109 --> 01:04:54,640
your brain waves so if it's a

1850
01:04:59,029 --> 01:04:57,119
concentrated energy whether it's low

1851
01:05:01,190 --> 01:04:59,039
frequency or high frequency

1852
01:05:02,950 --> 01:05:01,200
your brain has like this just like your

1853
01:05:04,950 --> 01:05:02,960
heart it's got this rhythm

1854
01:05:07,029 --> 01:05:04,960
and this cadence in a particular

1855
01:05:08,630 --> 01:05:07,039
frequency and

1856
01:05:10,150 --> 01:05:08,640
theoretically you could disrupt that

1857
01:05:12,230 --> 01:05:10,160
with sound waves so

1858
01:05:13,670 --> 01:05:12,240
um not the infrasound thing but we did

1859
01:05:15,190 --> 01:05:13,680
that they did that

1860
01:05:16,870 --> 01:05:15,200
and then when we went we ended up going

1861
01:05:18,470 --> 01:05:16,880
to the heart facility and obviously it

1862
01:05:19,430 --> 01:05:18,480
was supposed to be shut down we couldn't

1863
01:05:22,630 --> 01:05:19,440
get in

1864
01:05:24,870 --> 01:05:22,640
but we were flying a drone over a

1865
01:05:26,230 --> 01:05:24,880
navy you know which it was really stupid

1866
01:05:27,109 --> 01:05:26,240
you know so we're doing a lot of things

1867
01:05:28,710 --> 01:05:27,119
that were already like and there were

1868
01:05:31,190 --> 01:05:28,720
all these security

1869
01:05:33,349 --> 01:05:31,200
you know and stories and

1870
01:05:35,510 --> 01:05:33,359
so i don't know i i kind of got psyched

1871
01:05:37,510 --> 01:05:35,520
out and i felt like

1872
01:05:38,870 --> 01:05:37,520
it's kind of sick and like just i had to

1873
01:05:40,390 --> 01:05:38,880
get out of there and a little panicky

1874
01:05:42,710 --> 01:05:40,400
and so that was actually demonstrated in

1875
01:05:43,990 --> 01:05:42,720
the show so a little bit of that i i

1876
01:05:45,829 --> 01:05:44,000
amped it up but i really didn't feel

1877
01:05:48,069 --> 01:05:45,839
that way i felt like really nauseous i'm

1878
01:05:49,430 --> 01:05:48,079
just like just so but i don't know if it

1879
01:05:50,710 --> 01:05:49,440
was something about being at the heart

1880
01:05:52,390 --> 01:05:50,720
facility

1881
01:05:54,150 --> 01:05:52,400
if that was still because supposedly it

1882
01:05:55,750 --> 01:05:54,160
was shut down and they weren't doing any

1883
01:05:56,710 --> 01:05:55,760
of these experiments anymore that even

1884
01:05:58,470 --> 01:05:56,720
though the

1885
01:06:00,230 --> 01:05:58,480
the ray of of

1886
01:06:02,549 --> 01:06:00,240
uh transmitters and stuff is still there

1887
01:06:04,630 --> 01:06:02,559
so not infrasound exactly

1888
01:06:06,789 --> 01:06:04,640
uh i may have encountered some

1889
01:06:08,390 --> 01:06:06,799
ultrasound type thing but it was

1890
01:06:09,910 --> 01:06:08,400
probably more likely just like a

1891
01:06:11,670 --> 01:06:09,920
psychological thing where i psyched

1892
01:06:12,870 --> 01:06:11,680
myself out and thought just being at

1893
01:06:14,630 --> 01:06:12,880
this place

1894
01:06:16,630 --> 01:06:14,640
was making me feel weird

1895
01:06:18,549 --> 01:06:16,640
hopefully that's at least that gives you

1896
01:06:20,390 --> 01:06:18,559
something even if it's not

1897
01:06:22,549 --> 01:06:20,400
you know well let me ask you this what

1898
01:06:25,910 --> 01:06:22,559
are your thoughts on

1899
01:06:27,349 --> 01:06:25,920
cryptids bigfoot upright canines

1900
01:06:29,349 --> 01:06:27,359
actually emitting these type of

1901
01:06:31,270 --> 01:06:29,359
frequencies

1902
01:06:33,349 --> 01:06:31,280
well um you know i write about it in my

1903
01:06:35,190 --> 01:06:33,359
book the essential guide to bigfoot that

1904
01:06:36,950 --> 01:06:35,200
you know the the allegations of

1905
01:06:38,390 --> 01:06:36,960
infrasound with bigfoot have been around

1906
01:06:40,390 --> 01:06:38,400
for a while now

1907
01:06:42,789 --> 01:06:40,400
um

1908
01:06:44,309 --> 01:06:42,799
i don't know if i've heard of any real

1909
01:06:45,829 --> 01:06:44,319
solid i mean

1910
01:06:47,349 --> 01:06:45,839
i don't know any bigfoot investigators

1911
01:06:48,789 --> 01:06:47,359
that have put forth a really solid

1912
01:06:50,230 --> 01:06:48,799
argument that that's what happened to

1913
01:06:51,829 --> 01:06:50,240
them if they experienced something like

1914
01:06:53,670 --> 01:06:51,839
that right

1915
01:06:55,190 --> 01:06:53,680
i mean i heard a story like this is a

1916
01:06:57,190 --> 01:06:55,200
perfect example i heard a story when i

1917
01:06:59,109 --> 01:06:57,200
was up at an oklahoma bigfoot event a

1918
01:07:00,950 --> 01:06:59,119
few weeks ago

1919
01:07:02,309 --> 01:07:00,960
there were three investigators walking

1920
01:07:03,750 --> 01:07:02,319
in a line

1921
01:07:05,829 --> 01:07:03,760
through the woods

1922
01:07:07,990 --> 01:07:05,839
turn up in this where there was all this

1923
01:07:10,630 --> 01:07:08,000
bigfoot activity and the guy in the

1924
01:07:12,230 --> 01:07:10,640
middle claimed that he had been zapped

1925
01:07:14,150 --> 01:07:12,240
with infrasound and started like

1926
01:07:16,390 --> 01:07:14,160
freaking out and i feel horrible and i

1927
01:07:17,589 --> 01:07:16,400
gotta get out of here well how did this

1928
01:07:20,069 --> 01:07:17,599
thing

1929
01:07:21,589 --> 01:07:20,079
was able to laser beam focus infrasound

1930
01:07:23,270 --> 01:07:21,599
at one guy

1931
01:07:25,109 --> 01:07:23,280
but not the other two guys that doesn't

1932
01:07:27,270 --> 01:07:25,119
make sense because it's like if you

1933
01:07:29,510 --> 01:07:27,280
don't think about sound it's not like

1934
01:07:31,750 --> 01:07:29,520
especially like sound waves sine waves

1935
01:07:33,510 --> 01:07:31,760
of like low frequencies are not like

1936
01:07:35,190 --> 01:07:33,520
super high concentrated they're just

1937
01:07:36,710 --> 01:07:35,200
like they would be theoretically be

1938
01:07:38,150 --> 01:07:36,720
these booming

1939
01:07:39,430 --> 01:07:38,160
so i don't know so i mean you hear

1940
01:07:42,150 --> 01:07:39,440
stories like that where people claim

1941
01:07:43,829 --> 01:07:42,160
they've been quote unquote zapped but

1942
01:07:45,990 --> 01:07:43,839
it's all it's all just so highly

1943
01:07:48,150 --> 01:07:46,000
speculative about whether bigfoot could

1944
01:07:49,829 --> 01:07:48,160
really even has this ability just

1945
01:07:52,309 --> 01:07:49,839
because it's big

1946
01:07:55,270 --> 01:07:52,319
and how it would use it

1947
01:07:57,589 --> 01:07:55,280
and uh now the the best story i've heard

1948
01:07:58,390 --> 01:07:57,599
actually relates to the stench over this

1949
01:08:00,870 --> 01:07:58,400
uh

1950
01:08:02,710 --> 01:08:00,880
the sound there was a guy at a research

1951
01:08:03,750 --> 01:08:02,720
location louisiana years ago that

1952
01:08:05,910 --> 01:08:03,760
claimed that

1953
01:08:07,750 --> 01:08:05,920
he's you know the sasquatch basically

1954
01:08:09,349 --> 01:08:07,760
was near him and put off this horrible

1955
01:08:12,470 --> 01:08:09,359
smell which we've heard about from time

1956
01:08:14,230 --> 01:08:12,480
to time and it made him feel so bad and

1957
01:08:15,990 --> 01:08:14,240
so sick that they had to take him the

1958
01:08:17,430 --> 01:08:16,000
rest the other bigfoot researchers had

1959
01:08:19,510 --> 01:08:17,440
to rush him to the hospital to the

1960
01:08:21,110 --> 01:08:19,520
emergency room because he was that is

1961
01:08:23,910 --> 01:08:21,120
that so that's interesting right that

1962
01:08:27,430 --> 01:08:23,920
you don't hear a lot of smell attacks as

1963
01:08:32,709 --> 01:08:30,550
a chemical weapon yes exactly very well

1964
01:08:34,309 --> 01:08:32,719
put it's a chemical weapon of some kind

1965
01:08:35,910 --> 01:08:34,319
so

1966
01:08:37,430 --> 01:08:35,920
i don't know this is all fun to talk

1967
01:08:39,829 --> 01:08:37,440
about but we just don't we just don't

1968
01:08:42,550 --> 01:08:39,839
know well you know i i

1969
01:08:44,390 --> 01:08:42,560
when when i and as more so with upright

1970
01:08:45,990 --> 01:08:44,400
canines when people encounter these

1971
01:08:47,430 --> 01:08:46,000
things that you know people here in

1972
01:08:49,749 --> 01:08:47,440
pennsylvania

1973
01:08:52,470 --> 01:08:49,759
uh especially people who are armed i

1974
01:08:54,070 --> 01:08:52,480
have had hunters walk up on these things

1975
01:08:56,390 --> 01:08:54,080
and you know

1976
01:08:58,149 --> 01:08:56,400
they tell us that

1977
01:09:00,309 --> 01:08:58,159
they get this feeling that they've got

1978
01:09:01,269 --> 01:09:00,319
to back away i know they're scared

1979
01:09:03,349 --> 01:09:01,279
anyway

1980
01:09:05,510 --> 01:09:03,359
but they you know just drop your weapon

1981
01:09:07,430 --> 01:09:05,520
and lower it and back away very slowly

1982
01:09:09,189 --> 01:09:07,440
it's almost like

1983
01:09:12,789 --> 01:09:09,199
it's something telling them to do that

1984
01:09:14,309 --> 01:09:12,799
as opposed to just being scared yeah

1985
01:09:16,149 --> 01:09:14,319
you know people people have reported

1986
01:09:17,910 --> 01:09:16,159
that and people have reported the mind

1987
01:09:19,669 --> 01:09:17,920
speak you know i'm not again i'm not an

1988
01:09:21,590 --> 01:09:19,679
advocate of that but i just

1989
01:09:23,510 --> 01:09:21,600
you know after that that same oklahoma

1990
01:09:25,510 --> 01:09:23,520
lecture i just mentioned i did a very my

1991
01:09:27,990 --> 01:09:25,520
very traditional

1992
01:09:30,229 --> 01:09:28,000
you know apr style bigfoot presentation

1993
01:09:32,070 --> 01:09:30,239
that grover krantz or john bindernegel

1994
01:09:34,070 --> 01:09:32,080
would be proud of and

1995
01:09:36,149 --> 01:09:34,080
afterwards this hunter came up to me

1996
01:09:37,990 --> 01:09:36,159
full full-on camo you know you could

1997
01:09:39,110 --> 01:09:38,000
tell he's an outdoorsman has the right

1998
01:09:41,590 --> 01:09:39,120
gear

1999
01:09:43,749 --> 01:09:41,600
red oak or whatever and uh says

2000
01:09:45,590 --> 01:09:43,759
you're wrong they do mind speak i

2001
01:09:47,349 --> 01:09:45,600
encountered a family of sasquatches in

2002
01:09:49,349 --> 01:09:47,359
the woods and

2003
01:09:51,510 --> 01:09:49,359
they began to hear their voices in my

2004
01:09:54,070 --> 01:09:51,520
head and he even had like a word that

2005
01:09:55,110 --> 01:09:54,080
was like garaka or something you know

2006
01:09:57,990 --> 01:09:55,120
and i i didn't want to be like

2007
01:09:59,830 --> 01:09:58,000
disrespectful i said sir you know

2008
01:10:01,510 --> 01:09:59,840
i'm not going to question your integrity

2009
01:10:02,790 --> 01:10:01,520
or what you're telling me you seem very

2010
01:10:04,870 --> 01:10:02,800
sincere

2011
01:10:08,149 --> 01:10:04,880
i can just say that i've not seen enough

2012
01:10:09,830 --> 01:10:08,159
evidence that this so-called mind speak

2013
01:10:12,229 --> 01:10:09,840
between sasquatch as a human actually

2014
01:10:13,990 --> 01:10:12,239
happens and i've investigated

2015
01:10:14,950 --> 01:10:14,000
so many cases over the years it's so

2016
01:10:16,070 --> 01:10:14,960
rare

2017
01:10:18,470 --> 01:10:16,080
and it's kind of the same with the

2018
01:10:19,910 --> 01:10:18,480
infrasound thing it's kind of like

2019
01:10:21,430 --> 01:10:19,920
does it really happen or is it just

2020
01:10:24,070 --> 01:10:21,440
something that's kind of

2021
01:10:26,550 --> 01:10:24,080
you know adds that kind of extra quality

2022
01:10:28,709 --> 01:10:26,560
to the mystery that

2023
01:10:31,030 --> 01:10:28,719
i just look at as another example of

2024
01:10:32,630 --> 01:10:31,040
perception i mean you know

2025
01:10:35,590 --> 01:10:32,640
they're perceiving maybe someone's

2026
01:10:37,430 --> 01:10:35,600
scarcity yeah yeah yeah yeah can do a

2027
01:10:38,709 --> 01:10:37,440
lot of things to you your story kind of

2028
01:10:40,790 --> 01:10:38,719
nailed it these guys people they

2029
01:10:44,070 --> 01:10:40,800
encounter them and they're you know it's

2030
01:10:45,910 --> 01:10:44,080
think about this it's like

2031
01:10:47,910 --> 01:10:45,920
you know you've been wired your brain's

2032
01:10:49,669 --> 01:10:47,920
been wired you know your reality has

2033
01:10:51,750 --> 01:10:49,679
been set your whole life

2034
01:10:54,310 --> 01:10:51,760
and then suddenly something that is not

2035
01:10:56,630 --> 01:10:54,320
supposed to exist that is a myth

2036
01:10:58,630 --> 01:10:56,640
steps right into your reality

2037
01:11:00,870 --> 01:10:58,640
i mean that's got to just

2038
01:11:02,630 --> 01:11:00,880
shake the core and the foundation of

2039
01:11:04,470 --> 01:11:02,640
everything

2040
01:11:05,910 --> 01:11:04,480
i mean lon you we both are these stories

2041
01:11:07,430 --> 01:11:05,920
i know hunters that have encountered

2042
01:11:08,870 --> 01:11:07,440
these things that basically never went

2043
01:11:09,910 --> 01:11:08,880
out in the woods again they sold their

2044
01:11:13,510 --> 01:11:09,920
guns

2045
01:11:16,070 --> 01:11:13,520
i'm done i'm out absolutely it's yeah i

2046
01:11:17,350 --> 01:11:16,080
hear it all the time pretty heavy stuff

2047
01:11:18,470 --> 01:11:17,360
yeah

2048
01:11:21,510 --> 01:11:18,480
um

2049
01:11:23,510 --> 01:11:21,520
android purity asked uh

2050
01:11:26,390 --> 01:11:23,520
do you believe that ancient european

2051
01:11:28,229 --> 01:11:26,400
reports of werewolves and men

2052
01:11:30,149 --> 01:11:28,239
and i mean are they the same as an

2053
01:11:31,910 --> 01:11:30,159
american the american phenomena the

2054
01:11:33,990 --> 01:11:31,920
american reports

2055
01:11:35,990 --> 01:11:34,000
are they the same thing it sounds like a

2056
01:11:38,550 --> 01:11:36,000
question we covered about 30 minutes ago

2057
01:11:41,350 --> 01:11:38,560
yeah it's similar yeah okay i will

2058
01:11:44,149 --> 01:11:41,360
you know we'll encapsulate it um

2059
01:11:45,430 --> 01:11:44,159
i don't know um the the traditional

2060
01:11:47,270 --> 01:11:45,440
european

2061
01:11:49,590 --> 01:11:47,280
werewolves as we discussed are shape

2062
01:11:51,830 --> 01:11:49,600
shifters they don't walk on their hind

2063
01:11:54,070 --> 01:11:51,840
legs they're always on four legs they

2064
01:11:56,310 --> 01:11:54,080
don't have necessarily very human-like

2065
01:11:57,270 --> 01:11:56,320
qualities the man part is not very

2066
01:11:59,030 --> 01:11:57,280
strong

2067
01:12:01,430 --> 01:11:59,040
except for their human-like eyes and

2068
01:12:03,830 --> 01:12:01,440
their cunning human-like

2069
01:12:06,709 --> 01:12:03,840
mind and abilities

2070
01:12:09,189 --> 01:12:06,719
they don't seem to match with uh the dog

2071
01:12:11,990 --> 01:12:09,199
man that said it seems to be too much of

2072
01:12:14,709 --> 01:12:12,000
a coincidence that you have

2073
01:12:17,590 --> 01:12:14,719
at least some similarities in terms of

2074
01:12:20,229 --> 01:12:17,600
you know that combination or that

2075
01:12:22,950 --> 01:12:20,239
synthesis of a human and a candidate or

2076
01:12:25,590 --> 01:12:22,960
a dog now i always like to talk about

2077
01:12:27,030 --> 01:12:25,600
psychology and cultural anthropological

2078
01:12:28,310 --> 01:12:27,040
things which are probably not going to

2079
01:12:29,430 --> 01:12:28,320
be very interesting to everyone

2080
01:12:32,390 --> 01:12:29,440
listening but

2081
01:12:33,990 --> 01:12:32,400
you know dogs why why do people love dog

2082
01:12:35,910 --> 01:12:34,000
man so much well

2083
01:12:37,350 --> 01:12:35,920
in my opinion it's because humans love

2084
01:12:39,430 --> 01:12:37,360
dogs so much

2085
01:12:41,830 --> 01:12:39,440
i mean all i'm a cat lover personally

2086
01:12:44,070 --> 01:12:41,840
but i love all animals i don't judge

2087
01:12:46,070 --> 01:12:44,080
but i know how much people that are dog

2088
01:12:48,149 --> 01:12:46,080
lovers love dogs i mean

2089
01:12:50,870 --> 01:12:48,159
they're man's best friend for a reason

2090
01:12:52,790 --> 01:12:50,880
we've been cohabitating for at least 15

2091
01:12:54,709 --> 01:12:52,800
to 30 000 years

2092
01:12:55,669 --> 01:12:54,719
so i think one of the reasons that dog

2093
01:12:58,390 --> 01:12:55,679
man is

2094
01:13:00,790 --> 01:12:58,400
such a popular cryptid is that it's a

2095
01:13:03,030 --> 01:13:00,800
dog man you know i know that sounds

2096
01:13:04,390 --> 01:13:03,040
stupid because it's so simple yeah but

2097
01:13:06,310 --> 01:13:04,400
you know i think that's i think there's

2098
01:13:07,990 --> 01:13:06,320
something to that the people really are

2099
01:13:10,870 --> 01:13:08,000
fascinated with the dog man and

2100
01:13:12,870 --> 01:13:10,880
werewolves because we already love and

2101
01:13:13,990 --> 01:13:12,880
are connected to our dogs and this is

2102
01:13:15,750 --> 01:13:14,000
like a

2103
01:13:17,830 --> 01:13:15,760
another you know it's a strange creature

2104
01:13:19,510 --> 01:13:17,840
but it's got those familiar it's

2105
01:13:22,310 --> 01:13:19,520
familiar to us i guess that's what i'm

2106
01:13:24,630 --> 01:13:22,320
trying to say but yeah absolutely

2107
01:13:26,229 --> 01:13:24,640
uh now here's a great one vincent wants

2108
01:13:29,750 --> 01:13:26,239
to know have you ever experienced any

2109
01:13:34,149 --> 01:13:29,760
paranormal activity of any kind yourself

2110
01:13:37,189 --> 01:13:34,159
uh yes i have uh the one incident i can

2111
01:13:39,590 --> 01:13:37,199
definitively say was um

2112
01:13:41,270 --> 01:13:39,600
years ago i was speaking at a paranormal

2113
01:13:43,669 --> 01:13:41,280
conference in a place called jefferson

2114
01:13:44,870 --> 01:13:43,679
texas which is the most haunted city in

2115
01:13:47,350 --> 01:13:44,880
texas it's also where they have the

2116
01:13:49,030 --> 01:13:47,360
bigfoot conference in october by the way

2117
01:13:50,709 --> 01:13:49,040
and uh very good it's a bigfoot capital

2118
01:13:53,110 --> 01:13:50,719
texas but also there's a lot of haunted

2119
01:13:54,870 --> 01:13:53,120
bed and breakfasts very old

2120
01:13:56,790 --> 01:13:54,880
railroad kind of town

2121
01:13:58,870 --> 01:13:56,800
and i was invited to a ghost

2122
01:14:00,310 --> 01:13:58,880
investigation i like to tag along to see

2123
01:14:02,709 --> 01:14:00,320
what people are doing it's not my

2124
01:14:04,310 --> 01:14:02,719
necessarily my expertise or anything but

2125
01:14:05,350 --> 01:14:04,320
um so there were some people in the

2126
01:14:07,430 --> 01:14:05,360
front of the house some ghost

2127
01:14:09,189 --> 01:14:07,440
investigators using one of these obvious

2128
01:14:10,470 --> 01:14:09,199
things which is a ghost box you know

2129
01:14:12,709 --> 01:14:10,480
where they're doing

2130
01:14:13,830 --> 01:14:12,719
am radio transmission and hearing words

2131
01:14:16,390 --> 01:14:13,840
and trying to communicate with the

2132
01:14:18,229 --> 01:14:16,400
spirits i was in the hallway and this

2133
01:14:20,390 --> 01:14:18,239
was actually called the mckay house

2134
01:14:22,229 --> 01:14:20,400
which unfortunately tragically burned

2135
01:14:23,830 --> 01:14:22,239
down a few years ago but

2136
01:14:27,270 --> 01:14:23,840
um

2137
01:14:29,270 --> 01:14:27,280
there was uh this big heavy kitchen door

2138
01:14:31,430 --> 01:14:29,280
in the middle of the house real old

2139
01:14:33,110 --> 01:14:31,440
house and this big heavy door

2140
01:14:34,790 --> 01:14:33,120
and i'm talking to this other

2141
01:14:36,630 --> 01:14:34,800
paranormal investigator and suddenly the

2142
01:14:40,310 --> 01:14:36,640
door just slammed shut

2143
01:14:41,750 --> 01:14:40,320
it was a wide open and it just goes bam

2144
01:14:42,630 --> 01:14:41,760
and we both just looked at it and we're

2145
01:14:44,390 --> 01:14:42,640
like

2146
01:14:45,510 --> 01:14:44,400
did that just happen

2147
01:14:47,030 --> 01:14:45,520
because

2148
01:14:48,630 --> 01:14:47,040
you know there's it's not like there's a

2149
01:14:50,229 --> 01:14:48,640
breeze people aren't moving it out of

2150
01:14:51,350 --> 01:14:50,239
the house everything's quiet and still

2151
01:14:52,630 --> 01:14:51,360
except for this

2152
01:14:54,709 --> 01:14:52,640
and we went over there and of course we

2153
01:14:56,870 --> 01:14:54,719
tried to debunk it you know is the door

2154
01:14:57,910 --> 01:14:56,880
loose is there a breeze where's the air

2155
01:14:59,669 --> 01:14:57,920
vent

2156
01:15:01,750 --> 01:14:59,679
you know and

2157
01:15:03,910 --> 01:15:01,760
i don't know so we saw this door slam

2158
01:15:05,270 --> 01:15:03,920
and really couldn't find any good reason

2159
01:15:06,790 --> 01:15:05,280
why this door would have just suddenly

2160
01:15:08,390 --> 01:15:06,800
slammed like that well this is so that

2161
01:15:11,430 --> 01:15:08,400
was i don't know i can't say

2162
01:15:13,350 --> 01:15:11,440
definitively that's 100 paranormal but

2163
01:15:14,870 --> 01:15:13,360
you know there was no physical reason

2164
01:15:16,550 --> 01:15:14,880
for this door to slam and it was in a

2165
01:15:17,669 --> 01:15:16,560
very haunted bed and breakfast were a

2166
01:15:19,110 --> 01:15:17,679
ghost

2167
01:15:20,950 --> 01:15:19,120
experience so i don't know that was kind

2168
01:15:23,990 --> 01:15:20,960
of cool uh another time i was

2169
01:15:25,910 --> 01:15:24,000
investigating a thing called the uh

2170
01:15:27,270 --> 01:15:25,920
south pittsburgh hospital in tennessee

2171
01:15:28,630 --> 01:15:27,280
which is like this old abandoned

2172
01:15:30,229 --> 01:15:28,640
hospital that they do these ghost

2173
01:15:31,910 --> 01:15:30,239
investigations

2174
01:15:33,669 --> 01:15:31,920
and i was with a

2175
01:15:35,590 --> 01:15:33,679
an investigator that was doing like

2176
01:15:37,270 --> 01:15:35,600
these he was broadcasting he brought a

2177
01:15:39,910 --> 01:15:37,280
sound system

2178
01:15:41,270 --> 01:15:39,920
and he was broadcasting hospital sounds

2179
01:15:43,430 --> 01:15:41,280
like trying to bring the hospital back

2180
01:15:45,430 --> 01:15:43,440
to life with like different ekg machines

2181
01:15:47,510 --> 01:15:45,440
and people coughing it was pretty cool

2182
01:15:49,990 --> 01:15:47,520
and we had one of these ghost box things

2183
01:15:51,990 --> 01:15:50,000
doing and we did hear

2184
01:15:53,830 --> 01:15:52,000
you know and it was all kind of

2185
01:15:56,550 --> 01:15:53,840
subjective but we thought we heard you

2186
01:15:57,910 --> 01:15:56,560
know some responses to our some of the

2187
01:15:59,910 --> 01:15:57,920
questions and things that were pretty

2188
01:16:01,910 --> 01:15:59,920
pretty coincidental

2189
01:16:03,669 --> 01:16:01,920
and in that same hospital i felt one

2190
01:16:05,030 --> 01:16:03,679
night walking down because we were

2191
01:16:07,590 --> 01:16:05,040
camping there i was walking down one of

2192
01:16:10,070 --> 01:16:07,600
the dark hallways by myself and i i'm

2193
01:16:10,800 --> 01:16:10,080
not scared i ain't afraid no ghosts you

2194
01:16:11,990 --> 01:16:10,810
know what i mean

2195
01:16:13,910 --> 01:16:12,000
[Laughter]

2196
01:16:16,149 --> 01:16:13,920
i have my paranormal friends out there

2197
01:16:17,990 --> 01:16:16,159
always like you know like oh i was like

2198
01:16:20,630 --> 01:16:18,000
did the ghosts kill people do they have

2199
01:16:21,990 --> 01:16:20,640
guns and knives like well no why are you

2200
01:16:23,830 --> 01:16:22,000
gonna be afraid but

2201
01:16:25,590 --> 01:16:23,840
you know they scare you but anyways so i

2202
01:16:27,750 --> 01:16:25,600
was walking down this dark hallway and i

2203
01:16:30,070 --> 01:16:27,760
suddenly felt this like

2204
01:16:32,709 --> 01:16:30,080
surge of energy in my body like it kind

2205
01:16:34,390 --> 01:16:32,719
of felt like electricity is like like

2206
01:16:35,750 --> 01:16:34,400
tingle like i was you know touching a

2207
01:16:36,870 --> 01:16:35,760
low voltage

2208
01:16:38,470 --> 01:16:36,880
and i don't know again i don't know if

2209
01:16:40,310 --> 01:16:38,480
that 100 paranormal but i've heard

2210
01:16:42,470 --> 01:16:40,320
people talk about that like feeling this

2211
01:16:43,910 --> 01:16:42,480
like energy in a haunted really highly

2212
01:16:45,590 --> 01:16:43,920
haunted place

2213
01:16:46,950 --> 01:16:45,600
so i don't know that's those are the

2214
01:16:48,390 --> 01:16:46,960
things that i can think of they're not

2215
01:16:49,990 --> 01:16:48,400
super dramatic i didn't see any

2216
01:16:52,229 --> 01:16:50,000
apparitions or

2217
01:16:54,310 --> 01:16:52,239
nothing scratched me or a book flying in

2218
01:16:57,830 --> 01:16:54,320
my head but a door slamming

2219
01:17:00,630 --> 01:16:57,840
a weird electrical sensation and

2220
01:17:02,149 --> 01:17:00,640
kind of some weird ghost box voices that

2221
01:17:04,470 --> 01:17:02,159
almost

2222
01:17:06,070 --> 01:17:04,480
you know like made sense like oh wow you

2223
01:17:08,470 --> 01:17:06,080
know we asked it this and it did say

2224
01:17:10,709 --> 01:17:08,480
that so i don't know there's a lot of

2225
01:17:11,990 --> 01:17:10,719
subjectivity and i find it fascinating i

2226
01:17:14,390 --> 01:17:12,000
i think

2227
01:17:15,910 --> 01:17:14,400
uh paranormal investigation you know

2228
01:17:17,510 --> 01:17:15,920
like i said it's not my thing but the

2229
01:17:18,630 --> 01:17:17,520
people that do it i think it's a really

2230
01:17:21,270 --> 01:17:18,640
interesting

2231
01:17:23,110 --> 01:17:21,280
uh you know mystery to pursue obviously

2232
01:17:25,110 --> 01:17:23,120
so

2233
01:17:27,270 --> 01:17:25,120
uh i had another question from

2234
01:17:29,510 --> 01:17:27,280
uzi nine millimeter that's an

2235
01:17:32,630 --> 01:17:29,520
interesting name uh neither flesh and

2236
01:17:35,910 --> 01:17:32,640
blood or paranormal explanation seems to

2237
01:17:39,189 --> 01:17:35,920
satisfy all aspects of witness testimony

2238
01:17:42,310 --> 01:17:39,199
could there be a technological aspect

2239
01:17:44,229 --> 01:17:42,320
involved that we for that we don't fully

2240
01:17:45,590 --> 01:17:44,239
understand

2241
01:17:48,709 --> 01:17:45,600
well that's a great question and

2242
01:17:50,709 --> 01:17:48,719
actually um i put a post up uh

2243
01:17:52,950 --> 01:17:50,719
on social media a few days ago because i

2244
01:17:54,310 --> 01:17:52,960
you know i i know so many paranormal

2245
01:17:56,870 --> 01:17:54,320
researchers and i've kind of put the

2246
01:17:59,590 --> 01:17:56,880
question out there like well what

2247
01:18:01,189 --> 01:17:59,600
you know in your opinion what paranormal

2248
01:18:02,630 --> 01:18:01,199
causes

2249
01:18:05,110 --> 01:18:02,640
could make people think that they're

2250
01:18:06,790 --> 01:18:05,120
having experiences like seeing cryptids

2251
01:18:08,550 --> 01:18:06,800
and creatures like that and it's there

2252
01:18:09,910 --> 01:18:08,560
were some great answers but uh some of

2253
01:18:12,709 --> 01:18:09,920
them are more technical than i would

2254
01:18:15,669 --> 01:18:12,719
probably be able to express but the most

2255
01:18:18,390 --> 01:18:15,679
recurring theme was the fact that uh emf

2256
01:18:21,510 --> 01:18:18,400
or electromagnetic energies which we

2257
01:18:22,390 --> 01:18:21,520
know uh you know can be generated by

2258
01:18:23,430 --> 01:18:22,400
uh

2259
01:18:27,030 --> 01:18:23,440
you know

2260
01:18:28,390 --> 01:18:27,040
generated by like uh

2261
01:18:29,669 --> 01:18:28,400
wiring and things like that in old

2262
01:18:32,470 --> 01:18:29,679
buildings because they get picked up but

2263
01:18:34,470 --> 01:18:32,480
also like in the earth you have

2264
01:18:36,390 --> 01:18:34,480
you know electromagnetic energy in the

2265
01:18:37,590 --> 01:18:36,400
in the within the geologic structure of

2266
01:18:39,270 --> 01:18:37,600
the earth and different types of

2267
01:18:41,270 --> 01:18:39,280
deposits and things

2268
01:18:42,709 --> 01:18:41,280
i don't know if that energy is intense

2269
01:18:45,189 --> 01:18:42,719
enough and that's what we debated like

2270
01:18:46,790 --> 01:18:45,199
is that intense enough to affect someone

2271
01:18:48,550 --> 01:18:46,800
in a way that they would

2272
01:18:50,149 --> 01:18:48,560
suddenly have an experience because

2273
01:18:52,709 --> 01:18:50,159
whatever reason it's stimulating the

2274
01:18:55,910 --> 01:18:52,719
mind or the energy fields or whatever it

2275
01:18:57,669 --> 01:18:55,920
is and we also have some electromagnetic

2276
01:18:59,750 --> 01:18:57,679
energy running through our bodies a very

2277
01:19:01,510 --> 01:18:59,760
minou amount so that was kind of the

2278
01:19:03,750 --> 01:19:01,520
thing so maybe that answers the question

2279
01:19:05,750 --> 01:19:03,760
that maybe some type of energy like

2280
01:19:08,310 --> 01:19:05,760
electromagnetic energy

2281
01:19:09,590 --> 01:19:08,320
you know as far as like how it does it i

2282
01:19:11,669 --> 01:19:09,600
mean

2283
01:19:14,229 --> 01:19:11,679
you know these are like concepts long to

2284
01:19:16,870 --> 01:19:14,239
me that are like so far beyond our

2285
01:19:19,270 --> 01:19:16,880
current ability to understand how our

2286
01:19:21,110 --> 01:19:19,280
world and universe works around us yeah

2287
01:19:23,110 --> 01:19:21,120
still try always learning trying to

2288
01:19:25,030 --> 01:19:23,120
figure out why

2289
01:19:27,350 --> 01:19:25,040
um but you know that was kind of an

2290
01:19:28,390 --> 01:19:27,360
interesting theory is that that human

2291
01:19:29,669 --> 01:19:28,400
brain

2292
01:19:31,510 --> 01:19:29,679
perception

2293
01:19:33,910 --> 01:19:31,520
is somehow altered

2294
01:19:36,470 --> 01:19:33,920
or we become more receptive like big

2295
01:19:38,310 --> 01:19:36,480
transmitters basically are conduits

2296
01:19:39,910 --> 01:19:38,320
where we can either experience things

2297
01:19:41,430 --> 01:19:39,920
that we can't normally experience that

2298
01:19:44,870 --> 01:19:41,440
are happening around us

2299
01:19:47,189 --> 01:19:44,880
or we're opening doorways to other

2300
01:19:48,630 --> 01:19:47,199
fields and levels of energy and reality

2301
01:19:51,430 --> 01:19:48,640
i don't know it's all pretty cosmic

2302
01:19:53,030 --> 01:19:51,440
stuff but um i i think there's something

2303
01:19:54,229 --> 01:19:53,040
to that though you know i get people ask

2304
01:19:56,550 --> 01:19:54,239
me a lot because you know i'm near

2305
01:19:58,790 --> 01:19:56,560
gettysburg and i've had encounters there

2306
01:20:01,350 --> 01:19:58,800
and they you know they ask about it and

2307
01:20:03,350 --> 01:20:01,360
i say well the geological

2308
01:20:06,070 --> 01:20:03,360
uh aspects of

2309
01:20:09,430 --> 01:20:06,080
this this area and other areas are high

2310
01:20:11,750 --> 01:20:09,440
concentrations of quartz granite

2311
01:20:13,189 --> 01:20:11,760
maybe maybe they do

2312
01:20:15,510 --> 01:20:13,199
uh

2313
01:20:17,590 --> 01:20:15,520
are conducive to electrical fields or

2314
01:20:20,149 --> 01:20:17,600
magnetic fields that cause some type of

2315
01:20:21,750 --> 01:20:20,159
distortion that allow you to sense these

2316
01:20:24,070 --> 01:20:21,760
things or see these things more so than

2317
01:20:25,990 --> 01:20:24,080
you would at other places

2318
01:20:28,149 --> 01:20:26,000
uh i don't know that may very well be

2319
01:20:30,550 --> 01:20:28,159
that you know i don't know you know but

2320
01:20:33,590 --> 01:20:30,560
people ask it all the time yeah that's a

2321
01:20:35,110 --> 01:20:33,600
great one and um i've got another

2322
01:20:36,870 --> 01:20:35,120
turn i want to take on this question

2323
01:20:38,870 --> 01:20:36,880
which might actually

2324
01:20:40,950 --> 01:20:38,880
you know some people might might not

2325
01:20:42,470 --> 01:20:40,960
like it but it's just something that i

2326
01:20:44,550 --> 01:20:42,480
think it's worth considering

2327
01:20:47,590 --> 01:20:44,560
so there have been recent studies that

2328
01:20:48,550 --> 01:20:47,600
have found that humans are born

2329
01:20:51,510 --> 01:20:48,560
and can

2330
01:20:53,669 --> 01:20:51,520
generate with our minds trace elements

2331
01:20:55,669 --> 01:20:53,679
of something called dmt

2332
01:20:57,189 --> 01:20:55,679
which is the most powerful hallucinogen

2333
01:20:58,470 --> 01:20:57,199
on the planet

2334
01:20:59,910 --> 01:20:58,480
and um

2335
01:21:01,910 --> 01:20:59,920
you know there are theories that maybe

2336
01:21:04,229 --> 01:21:01,920
it's in our locked into our genetic code

2337
01:21:06,229 --> 01:21:04,239
because our ancient ancestors would eat

2338
01:21:08,470 --> 01:21:06,239
mushrooms and other psychedelic drugs as

2339
01:21:10,790 --> 01:21:08,480
they were doing these spiritual

2340
01:21:12,830 --> 01:21:10,800
ceremonies or religious you know

2341
01:21:15,030 --> 01:21:12,840
awakenings or you know whatever

2342
01:21:17,669 --> 01:21:15,040
vigils um

2343
01:21:20,669 --> 01:21:17,679
is it possible that we are able to

2344
01:21:23,430 --> 01:21:20,679
basically our minds are able to generate

2345
01:21:25,430 --> 01:21:23,440
hallucinations that are so vivid

2346
01:21:29,030 --> 01:21:25,440
that we are completely incapable of

2347
01:21:31,030 --> 01:21:29,040
distinguishing between reality and this

2348
01:21:33,350 --> 01:21:31,040
hallucination

2349
01:21:35,750 --> 01:21:33,360
because one of the interesting common

2350
01:21:37,830 --> 01:21:35,760
tropes or themes with these supposedly

2351
01:21:39,350 --> 01:21:37,840
with dmt hallucinations

2352
01:21:42,149 --> 01:21:39,360
is that people claim that they have

2353
01:21:43,750 --> 01:21:42,159
either spiritual or mythological

2354
01:21:45,350 --> 01:21:43,760
experiences

2355
01:21:47,110 --> 01:21:45,360
where they're seeing or experiencing

2356
01:21:49,270 --> 01:21:47,120
things that are

2357
01:21:51,510 --> 01:21:49,280
perceived to be mythological in nature

2358
01:21:54,709 --> 01:21:51,520
such as

2359
01:21:56,790 --> 01:21:54,719
a winged humanoid from 3 000 years ago

2360
01:21:57,990 --> 01:21:56,800
you know so so i don't know i know this

2361
01:22:00,470 --> 01:21:58,000
is gonna piss people i'm i'm not

2362
01:22:02,470 --> 01:22:00,480
hallucinating well i mean we have to

2363
01:22:04,470 --> 01:22:02,480
accept let's be critical thinkers here

2364
01:22:06,229 --> 01:22:04,480
we have to accept the fact that it is at

2365
01:22:08,470 --> 01:22:06,239
least possible that humans can have

2366
01:22:10,870 --> 01:22:08,480
hallucinations and it's not something we

2367
01:22:12,229 --> 01:22:10,880
have a choice about it's not like okay

2368
01:22:13,750 --> 01:22:12,239
i'm not going to have hallucination

2369
01:22:16,629 --> 01:22:13,760
today it's just something that happens

2370
01:22:19,510 --> 01:22:16,639
to our minds to where we are 100

2371
01:22:22,470 --> 01:22:19,520
convinced that we just saw this creature

2372
01:22:24,790 --> 01:22:22,480
that's mythological and we saw it

2373
01:22:27,350 --> 01:22:24,800
there's no it was there and our brain

2374
01:22:28,950 --> 01:22:27,360
just can't tell the difference

2375
01:22:30,390 --> 01:22:28,960
i don't know it's kind of a i know it

2376
01:22:31,830 --> 01:22:30,400
seems like a bummer because the world

2377
01:22:34,229 --> 01:22:31,840
seems more interesting if they're coming

2378
01:22:35,990 --> 01:22:34,239
from other dimensions and stuff but

2379
01:22:37,110 --> 01:22:36,000
what if they're mind monsters i mean

2380
01:22:38,229 --> 01:22:37,120
it's not that different from what you

2381
01:22:40,709 --> 01:22:38,239
were talking about earlier with the

2382
01:22:43,270 --> 01:22:40,719
thought projections yeah

2383
01:22:45,110 --> 01:22:43,280
exactly explaining it you know you know

2384
01:22:46,629 --> 01:22:45,120
that that's the whole thing about all

2385
01:22:49,030 --> 01:22:46,639
this that we do

2386
01:22:50,149 --> 01:22:49,040
you got to keep an open mind

2387
01:22:53,030 --> 01:22:50,159
uh

2388
01:22:54,550 --> 01:22:53,040
the conundrum part of all this is always

2389
01:22:56,229 --> 01:22:54,560
there you know

2390
01:22:57,990 --> 01:22:56,239
you know the whole whole thing's a

2391
01:23:00,070 --> 01:22:58,000
enigma

2392
01:23:01,590 --> 01:23:00,080
and you you know we try to figure it out

2393
01:23:04,390 --> 01:23:01,600
so we're going to come up with all kinds

2394
01:23:06,470 --> 01:23:04,400
of explanations and theories

2395
01:23:08,629 --> 01:23:06,480
yeah it's but it's fun to not know stuff

2396
01:23:10,470 --> 01:23:08,639
that's kind of my attitude

2397
01:23:11,990 --> 01:23:10,480
i love that yeah i love living in a

2398
01:23:13,830 --> 01:23:12,000
world where there's things we don't know

2399
01:23:15,110 --> 01:23:13,840
what's good absolutely i know a lot of

2400
01:23:17,350 --> 01:23:15,120
people that make some people

2401
01:23:20,470 --> 01:23:17,360
uncomfortable you know we know it all

2402
01:23:22,550 --> 01:23:20,480
darn it but no we i don't think we do no

2403
01:23:24,229 --> 01:23:22,560
but it's let's let's continue to do

2404
01:23:26,070 --> 01:23:24,239
these shows and have these discussions

2405
01:23:27,669 --> 01:23:26,080
because it's fun to come up with

2406
01:23:30,149 --> 01:23:27,679
theories and speculate and share

2407
01:23:32,229 --> 01:23:30,159
different ideas about it so

2408
01:23:34,550 --> 01:23:32,239
well i got one last question for you and

2409
01:23:37,430 --> 01:23:34,560
from marla she asked do you believe in a

2410
01:23:39,990 --> 01:23:37,440
bigfoot ufo connection

2411
01:23:42,149 --> 01:23:40,000
i have not personally seen enough

2412
01:23:44,149 --> 01:23:42,159
evidence to to really

2413
01:23:45,990 --> 01:23:44,159
you know to consider that to be relevant

2414
01:23:48,470 --> 01:23:46,000
and in fact i said this is interesting i

2415
01:23:50,149 --> 01:23:48,480
read a survey in a book recently

2416
01:23:52,390 --> 01:23:50,159
and this is a book from the early 80s

2417
01:23:56,629 --> 01:23:52,400
that i was just kind of revisiting

2418
01:23:58,310 --> 01:23:56,639
so out of 1 000 a sample base of 1 000

2419
01:24:00,229 --> 01:23:58,320
bigfoot reports

2420
01:24:03,030 --> 01:24:00,239
there were only 30

2421
01:24:05,750 --> 01:24:03,040
that had these kind of ufo

2422
01:24:07,430 --> 01:24:05,760
connection allegations this is a random

2423
01:24:09,189 --> 01:24:07,440
sample size from that time period the

2424
01:24:12,070 --> 01:24:09,199
early 80s

2425
01:24:14,870 --> 01:24:12,080
and you know before the 70s so an

2426
01:24:16,790 --> 01:24:14,880
essential in essence three percent

2427
01:24:19,750 --> 01:24:16,800
so three percent of your standard

2428
01:24:23,030 --> 01:24:19,760
bigfoot sighting has any type of ufo

2429
01:24:24,229 --> 01:24:23,040
reference link accusation which is you

2430
01:24:25,910 --> 01:24:24,239
know if you're gonna look at the stuff

2431
01:24:27,750 --> 01:24:25,920
scientifically that's a pretty low

2432
01:24:29,990 --> 01:24:27,760
percentage that's not something you

2433
01:24:31,910 --> 01:24:30,000
would emphasize if you're testing a

2434
01:24:33,750 --> 01:24:31,920
theory or trying to do an experiment

2435
01:24:35,830 --> 01:24:33,760
you're not going to say well let's focus

2436
01:24:37,590 --> 01:24:35,840
on this ufo angle because

2437
01:24:38,950 --> 01:24:37,600
three out of every hundred people say

2438
01:24:42,470 --> 01:24:38,960
that it's happening you know so it's

2439
01:24:44,390 --> 01:24:42,480
like you know 97 percent are saying

2440
01:24:47,030 --> 01:24:44,400
it walked across the road and it went in

2441
01:24:49,270 --> 01:24:47,040
the woods or it was hiding behind that

2442
01:24:52,950 --> 01:24:49,280
tree and then it went up that hill and

2443
01:24:55,590 --> 01:24:52,960
you know those are all perfectly natural

2444
01:24:57,510 --> 01:24:55,600
it's an animal not an extraterrestrial

2445
01:25:00,950 --> 01:24:57,520
ultratresol so i don't i don't think

2446
01:25:02,709 --> 01:25:00,960
that but you know i you know guys like

2447
01:25:05,110 --> 01:25:02,719
you know stan gordon

2448
01:25:07,669 --> 01:25:05,120
i mean he's been

2449
01:25:09,590 --> 01:25:07,679
researching since the early 70s he has

2450
01:25:13,669 --> 01:25:09,600
the best evidence that there could be a

2451
01:25:17,910 --> 01:25:15,830
when i think of it i think of that case

2452
01:25:20,310 --> 01:25:17,920
with stan i think of the presque isle

2453
01:25:24,310 --> 01:25:20,320
case of your area

2454
01:25:28,870 --> 01:25:24,320
and i also was involved in a habituation

2455
01:25:30,950 --> 01:25:28,880
up in northern uh nova scotia okay where

2456
01:25:31,990 --> 01:25:30,960
the the individual

2457
01:25:34,870 --> 01:25:32,000
sold

2458
01:25:36,870 --> 01:25:34,880
one of these sasquatch actually coming

2459
01:25:38,470 --> 01:25:36,880
out of a craft down

2460
01:25:40,950 --> 01:25:38,480
you know i'm just saying that that's

2461
01:25:43,189 --> 01:25:40,960
what he told me you know and i but i you

2462
01:25:45,030 --> 01:25:43,199
know they they do exist i mean we're not

2463
01:25:46,790 --> 01:25:45,040
denying that those accounts do exist all

2464
01:25:49,189 --> 01:25:46,800
i'm saying is that they make up a

2465
01:25:51,910 --> 01:25:49,199
microcosm yeah i have not heard any of

2466
01:25:53,669 --> 01:25:51,920
this yeah that's all i've ever heard

2467
01:25:55,910 --> 01:25:53,679
so i agree with you yeah there are not

2468
01:25:57,750 --> 01:25:55,920
many accounts of it but uh you know when

2469
01:25:59,750 --> 01:25:57,760
they do pop up they are interesting

2470
01:26:01,270 --> 01:25:59,760
they're fun to talk about but i don't i

2471
01:26:03,669 --> 01:26:01,280
don't think there's a connection there

2472
01:26:05,990 --> 01:26:03,679
but i'm open-minded you know i agree

2473
01:26:08,629 --> 01:26:06,000
with you keep saying that but it's true

2474
01:26:10,390 --> 01:26:08,639
i if someone shows me definitive proof

2475
01:26:12,629 --> 01:26:10,400
that they do come out of ufos i will

2476
01:26:13,590 --> 01:26:12,639
readily accept that and say okay i was

2477
01:26:16,390 --> 01:26:13,600
wrong

2478
01:26:17,669 --> 01:26:16,400
that's where they're coming from now

2479
01:26:18,550 --> 01:26:17,679
okay ken

2480
01:26:20,149 --> 01:26:18,560
uh

2481
01:26:23,110 --> 01:26:20,159
what's what's going on with ken what's

2482
01:26:25,430 --> 01:26:23,120
coming up with you in the near future oh

2483
01:26:27,030 --> 01:26:25,440
gosh i have uh 15 public appearances

2484
01:26:28,229 --> 01:26:27,040
coming up this year around the country

2485
01:26:32,229 --> 01:26:28,239
yeah

2486
01:26:34,390 --> 01:26:32,239
they're coming back i'll be speaking at

2487
01:26:36,629 --> 01:26:34,400
the mothman festival in september up in

2488
01:26:38,390 --> 01:26:36,639
point pleasant west virginia i'll be at

2489
01:26:40,709 --> 01:26:38,400
the texas bigfoot conference and

2490
01:26:42,550 --> 01:26:40,719
minnesota bigfoot conference in october

2491
01:26:44,629 --> 01:26:42,560
i'm speaking at the first ever alabama

2492
01:26:47,110 --> 01:26:44,639
big foot conference in june

2493
01:26:48,390 --> 01:26:47,120
uh two times in tennessee in the smoky

2494
01:26:50,709 --> 01:26:48,400
mountains

2495
01:26:53,110 --> 01:26:50,719
uh gosh what else i'm speaking at the

2496
01:26:54,790 --> 01:26:53,120
haunted america conference in illinois

2497
01:26:56,709 --> 01:26:54,800
at the end of june

2498
01:26:59,990 --> 01:26:56,719
um

2499
01:27:01,590 --> 01:27:00,000
there's a new conference in uh missouri

2500
01:27:02,830 --> 01:27:01,600
sorry i just booked this one but yeah so

2501
01:27:06,950 --> 01:27:02,840
i'm gonna be traveling around a lot of

2502
01:27:08,950 --> 01:27:06,960
michigan uh tennessee arkansas alabama

2503
01:27:10,310 --> 01:27:08,960
you know mostly the eastern u.s but if

2504
01:27:12,229 --> 01:27:10,320
anyone wants to come out i'll be doing

2505
01:27:14,070 --> 01:27:12,239
lectures presentations

2506
01:27:16,070 --> 01:27:14,080
i always have autographed copies of my

2507
01:27:18,229 --> 01:27:16,080
books dvds i always love talking to

2508
01:27:20,709 --> 01:27:18,239
people meeting people and hearing about

2509
01:27:22,470 --> 01:27:20,719
their opinions and experiences and

2510
01:27:24,709 --> 01:27:22,480
so and i've also been working on some

2511
01:27:26,390 --> 01:27:24,719
television shows i currently can be seen

2512
01:27:27,510 --> 01:27:26,400
on the history channel series the proof

2513
01:27:29,110 --> 01:27:27,520
is out there

2514
01:27:31,669 --> 01:27:29,120
which airs on friday nights after

2515
01:27:33,270 --> 01:27:31,679
ancient aliens uh we're coming up on uh

2516
01:27:35,189 --> 01:27:33,280
we just got picked up for season three

2517
01:27:37,430 --> 01:27:35,199
so i'm just one of many

2518
01:27:39,189 --> 01:27:37,440
commentators but uh there's a lot of

2519
01:27:41,510 --> 01:27:39,199
good uh people that contribute to that

2520
01:27:43,669 --> 01:27:41,520
show and also i've got some upcoming

2521
01:27:45,189 --> 01:27:43,679
appearances on unexplained with william

2522
01:27:47,430 --> 01:27:45,199
shatner as well

2523
01:27:49,669 --> 01:27:47,440
good well maybe you and i will

2524
01:27:52,149 --> 01:27:49,679
physically hook up with some time i i

2525
01:27:54,790 --> 01:27:52,159
missed you once before and uh

2526
01:27:56,390 --> 01:27:54,800
but uh one day it'll happen

2527
01:27:59,270 --> 01:27:56,400
definitely brother i wish there were

2528
01:28:01,270 --> 01:27:59,280
more events you know i have a lot of uh

2529
01:28:02,709 --> 01:28:01,280
fans and followers uh up in the

2530
01:28:03,590 --> 01:28:02,719
northeast and they're always saying when

2531
01:28:05,430 --> 01:28:03,600
are you gonna come up here to the

2532
01:28:07,350 --> 01:28:05,440
northeast the atlanta coast or i was

2533
01:28:09,510 --> 01:28:07,360
like man i would come if there was an

2534
01:28:11,510 --> 01:28:09,520
event but it just seems like everyone's

2535
01:28:12,870 --> 01:28:11,520
booking them in ohio michigan and

2536
01:28:14,470 --> 01:28:12,880
tennessee

2537
01:28:17,270 --> 01:28:14,480
kentucky there's a certain state

2538
01:28:18,790 --> 01:28:17,280
pennsylvania to some extent gets all the

2539
01:28:20,950 --> 01:28:18,800
the events and they just you know we

2540
01:28:22,229 --> 01:28:20,960
need some more in maryland virginia you

2541
01:28:24,950 --> 01:28:22,239
know new england

2542
01:28:26,709 --> 01:28:24,960
new york i mean whatever connecticut i'd

2543
01:28:28,629 --> 01:28:26,719
love to go so

2544
01:28:30,790 --> 01:28:28,639
well you know i appreciate you coming on

2545
01:28:32,310 --> 01:28:30,800
doing this uh it was great to talk to

2546
01:28:33,830 --> 01:28:32,320
you again and i'm quite sure our

2547
01:28:35,189 --> 01:28:33,840
listeners are very appreciative of you

2548
01:28:37,990 --> 01:28:35,199
taking the time

2549
01:28:39,669 --> 01:28:38,000
so uh until next time you take care have

2550
01:28:42,070 --> 01:28:39,679
a great weekend and i will talk to you

2551
01:28:44,550 --> 01:28:42,080
soon thank you lon uh thanks again for

2552
01:28:46,550 --> 01:28:44,560
having me on uh thanks for vince for

2553
01:28:48,310 --> 01:28:46,560
running the show and great questions

2554
01:28:49,750 --> 01:28:48,320
everyone i saw some great comments and

2555
01:28:51,510 --> 01:28:49,760
questions so i really appreciated

2556
01:28:54,310 --> 01:28:51,520
everyone that kind of got involved in

2557
01:28:58,070 --> 01:28:54,320
the discussion tonight let's do it again

2558
01:29:02,070 --> 01:29:00,149
now if you have an unexplained encounter

2559
01:29:03,430 --> 01:29:02,080
or sighting feel free to contact me

2560
01:29:05,510 --> 01:29:03,440
directly

2561
01:29:07,510 --> 01:29:05,520
at lawn strickland phantoms and monsters

2562
01:29:09,189 --> 01:29:07,520
dot com or through the phantoms and

2563
01:29:11,990 --> 01:29:09,199
monsters blog site

2564
01:29:14,470 --> 01:29:12,000
also if you would like to

2565
01:29:17,110 --> 01:29:14,480
like your encounter or citing red on the

2566
01:29:19,430 --> 01:29:17,120
show please forward to my email

2567
01:29:21,430 --> 01:29:19,440
this is something that

2568
01:29:24,629 --> 01:29:21,440
vince and i are working on and we will

2569
01:29:27,750 --> 01:29:24,639
start presenting the shows live

2570
01:29:29,430 --> 01:29:27,760
in in short time so uh

2571
01:29:31,350 --> 01:29:29,440
you know we'll give you plenty of notice

2572
01:29:33,430 --> 01:29:31,360
on when this is going to happen

2573
01:29:35,430 --> 01:29:33,440
so i want to again thank ken gerhart for

2574
01:29:37,590 --> 01:29:35,440
coming on this evening and answering

2575
01:29:38,550 --> 01:29:37,600
these questions great i really enjoyed

2576
01:29:40,470 --> 01:29:38,560
this

2577
01:29:42,550 --> 01:29:40,480
and thanks to each and all of you for

2578
01:29:44,629 --> 01:29:42,560
watching and chatting if you uh made a

2579
01:29:45,830 --> 01:29:44,639
super chat donation it's it's truly

2580
01:29:47,430 --> 01:29:45,840
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2581
01:29:49,750 --> 01:29:47,440
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2582
01:29:52,149 --> 01:29:49,760
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2583
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2584
01:29:56,550 --> 01:29:54,080
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2585
01:29:58,870 --> 01:29:56,560
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2586
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2587
01:30:03,430 --> 01:30:00,320
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2588
01:30:05,669 --> 01:30:03,440
so uh next week we will be continuing

2589
01:30:08,870 --> 01:30:05,679
our round table series

2590
01:30:11,110 --> 01:30:08,880
with an alien encounters discussion

2591
01:30:13,430 --> 01:30:11,120
the guest list is still in the works but

2592
01:30:15,430 --> 01:30:13,440
i promise you that you won't be

2593
01:30:18,070 --> 01:30:15,440
disappointed so be sure to tune in for

2594
01:30:29,240 --> 01:30:18,080
that so until next week stay healthy and

2595
01:31:22,750 --> 01:30:45,890
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